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Sunday, February 08, 2004
 
50 killed in moscow train blast


02-06-2004, 02:37 PM
50 killed in moscow train blast
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As many as 50 people were killed when an explosion, possibly caused by a human bomber, ripped through a train in the Russian capital on Friday.

The explosion on the central Moscow metro railway occurred at 8.30 am (0530 GMT), the morning rush hour.

A female bomber might have carried out the explosion, our correspondent reported, quoting Russian security sources.

Human bomb attacks in Moscow and elsewhere in Russia have been the trademark of Chechen separatists fighting Russian forces.The blast occurred between the Paveletskaya and Avtozavodskaya metro stations.
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Havoc reigned outside the Avtozavodskaya station, the closest to the train when the blast occurred, as distraught parents searched for their children outside.
«My daughter is there!» a woman in her 50s, hair dishevelled, cheeks covered in tears, shouted over and over.

«We saw them carrying bodies and injured covered in blood», said Lena, who works in a food shop 100 metres from the station.
A short time after the blast «a man came into the shop, he was shaking uncontrollably and covered in blood. He said 'give me a vodka'», she said.The man said that he was in another car of the train and walked out of the tunnel, past the affected carriage.

«He told us that he saw arms, legs scattered around the carriage», Lena said. «He said it was bloody carnage».

«It was an attack», said Kirill Mazulin, a spokesman for the Moscow city police, on the scene. «There is no doubt that it was a terrorist act», Mazulin said.
Survivors

«The bomb was probably on a kamakaze terrorist» and had the power of one kilogram of TNT, Mazulin said.

A fire raged as a result of the blast and smoke poured out of the station after the blast. More than a 100 ambulances and fire trucks rushed to site.

More than 700 survivors of the blast, most of them Muscovites on their way to work, were evacuated from the metro nearly two hours after the blast.
The incident took place just six weeks before a 14 March election for president in which the incumbent Vladimir Putin is widely expected to win a second Kremlin term easily.
There was no immediate word from Putin who had been preparing to welcome visiting Azerbaijan President Ilham Aliyev.
Aljazeera + Agencies
http://english.aljazeera.net

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02-06-2004, 02:49 PM
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The ordinairy moscow people are nice and understanding
I remeber after the theatre bombings they said they would have also been suicide bombers if they were chechens.

Even a woman who had lost her son, she said the same. she wanted to die. She couldnt live without her son.

There are many lovely non muslims, who want to understand..
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02-06-2004, 04:19 PM
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wouldnt be surprised if it was the russians who were behind this.
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02-06-2004, 06:49 PM
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Whats happening in chechnya any news about the situation ?
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02-06-2004, 07:42 PM
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Whats happening in chechnya any news about the situation ?
pain, death, destruction and misery. this is what the godless russians are doing in the muslim lands of the caucasus.
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02-06-2004, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Abdur-Rasheed
pain, death, destruction and misery. this is what the godless russians are doing in the muslim lands of the caucasus.

Yeah that and more I am sure I dont know why we dont hear more from there though as compared to other muslim conflicts .
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Whats happening in chechnya any news about the situation ?

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Go to

http://www.kavkaz.tv/eng/

Or (in Arabic)

http://www.qoqaz.com/


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Yesterday, 02:37 AM
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The Mujahideen denied their involvment.
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Aahh..this is not a Recantation. walAllaahulMusta'aan-Click

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In future we will see more of this stuff until those drunk leave Chechnya. And even then, many of the Mujahideen have said they will pursue them on their own land to avenge the 400 years of oppression they hammered down upon us.

And eye for an eye.

The Russians owe as a mountain of eyes.


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Sunday, January 25, 2004
 
Q & A with Aboo Baseer about Jihaad


01-23-2004, 06:18 AM
Q & A with Aboo Baseer about Jihaad
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I thought this was an interesting question, very very short, but interesting, what is in parantheses is from the translator. The answer is from Aboo Baseer at-Tartoosee:


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Q: If the parents have some degree of sickness (ex: blood pressure), and oppose the whole idea of going for Jihaad...neigh it even goes completely against their view of my future, and I think that my leaving for it without their permission will lead to such a great shock that it will increase their sickness or even lead to their death (heart attack), then is it permissible to go with these possibilities? Keep in mind that they are self-sufficient and in no need from me material wise (financially or physically). And my caring for them are very general and typical things (meaning its not necessary care they need to live or survive). May Allaah Reward you with good.

Answer: All Praise be to Allaah. I ask: If the Taaghoot (example: a president of any Arab country today) were to send him on a special mission, for the sake of his own personal Taaghoot good and that of the regime... what you mentioned will happen to your parents if you go for Jihaad for Allaah's Cause... but for the Taaghoot nothing? Is the Taaghoot greater and more honored in their eyes than Allaah?!?

The answer: If Jihaad is Fard 'Ayn upon someone, there is no permission sought nor obedience of the creation in remaining behind, because there is no obedience of the creation in disobedience to the Creator. And Allaah Knows best.
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01-23-2004, 06:57 AM
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as-salamu`alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Jazak Allahu khayr for that.

This is somewhat a different matter...

Considering that most of us live in lands where the kuffar gov's come after even those remotely related to the mujahideen, shouldn't extra care be taken by the brother going in the Path of Allah? ie. In preparing for the family some sort of protection, (and indeed Allah is sufficient as our Protector but we know we have to make efforts as well).

I don't think I'm alone in having heard of stories of the families of the mujahideen being abused (in the least) back home. I remember this bro crying for the families of the mujahideen, subhan Allah. It made me realise how we tend to forget about them in our du'as, may Allah forgive us.

So if there was anything that addressed this, do post it insha Allah. Because I feel that some may interpret the answer above as "heck care, just leave them". The irony being that part of the jihad is to liberate the oppressed Muslims and in the meantime, you expose your own family to such danger.

Barak Allahu feek.
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01-23-2004, 10:53 AM
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Ibn Hazm sees it impermissable if the child fears the halaak (death, etc) of his parents.

Shaykh 'Abdullah 'Azzam saw that the child whose parents need, should not go.

I'm not saying this is the correct opinion or anything, but the above fatwa is quite rash I must say, with all respect to the Shaykh.
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01-23-2004, 03:19 PM
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Ibn Hazm sees it impermissable if the child fears the halaak (death, etc) of his parents.
Well, we have two different cases of the parents dying/becoming severely ill because of the son's leaving: as a result of nobody being there to care for them (which is more certain), and as a result of the distress caused by the son's leaving them (which is, wallaahu a'lam, much less certain).

Which of the two cases is Ibn Hazm referring to?
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01-23-2004, 05:11 PM
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Aboo Baseer is talking about parents who are in no real need of the child, but they are just strongly attached to them for the sake of seeing them. Not parents who are in need of physical service (or financial support) due to real health problems (or real old age), that make them dependent on the care of others.

Ibn Hazm and 'Abdullaah 'Azzaam prohibited it for the same reasons, one whose parents are dependent on their child's physical services or financial support, not ones who are just overly attached emotionally, and allow their feelings to get the better of them. Note, Aboo Baseer has similar Fataawaa prohibiting it in the case of one whose parents are really in need of him like described.
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al-Hasan al-Basree (Rahimahullaah) said, "The believer is like a prisoner in this lowly world, who tries to free himself from its shackles and chains, never feeling secure in it, until the day he meets his Lord." [az-Zuhd by Ibn al-Mubaarak]
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01-23-2004, 05:31 PM
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Editor, this is from Join the Caravan by Sh. 'Abdullaah 'Azzaam (Its an appendix he wrote in the Arabic edition), somewhat related to your question:


Íßã ÇáÊÎæÝ ãä ÓÄÇá ÃÌåÒÉ ÇáÃãä ÅÐÇ ÑÌÚ ÇáãÌÇåÏ ãä ÇáÌåÇÏ Åáì ãÓÞØ ÑÃÓå:


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al-Hasan al-Basree (Rahimahullaah) said, "The believer is like a prisoner in this lowly world, who tries to free himself from its shackles and chains, never feeling secure in it, until the day he meets his Lord." [az-Zuhd by Ibn al-Mubaarak]
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01-23-2004, 05:56 PM
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Hmmm, interesting views. Abu Dujanah can you bring us an exact quote from Abdullah Azzam for that statement, along with the book page number, not because I dont trust you , just for general knowledge.
Also if that condition was even if the situation was fard al ayn.

I have read statements from the ulama in shishan to the same extent as abu basir's fatwa. About the ruling, whether fard al kifaya or fard al ayn. They said the latter, just recently. I have also been told the latter from trustworthy sources, that these are the views of Mullah 3mar , and our Arab brothers in afghanistan. Perhaps you guys can verify it.

Does anyone know what shaykh Sulayman Al Alwaan, Nasir al Fahad, Ali Al Khudayr al Khudayri, and Abu Mu7ammad al maqdisy, Abu Qatadah al Philistini, have said in regards to this issue.

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O you who believe! Why do you say that which you do not do

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01-23-2004, 10:24 PM
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Yes, that's correct Sinaan.

Amir - the fatwa is found in the question and answer section of Defense of the Muslim Lands. I don't have the English to tell you exactly where bro. My apologies.
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It's also found in Join the Caravan, in the 'Clarifications' section at the end. Go here: http://www.religioscope.com/info/do...van_5_part3.htm

and scroll down to the section regarding excuses.
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Translation from the site posted by Abu Sabaayaa (from the book Join the Caravan):

THE QUESTION OF INTERROGATION BY POLICE AUTHORITIES UPON RETURN OF THE MUJAHID TO HIS HOMELAND FROM JIHAD
This point is never an excuse because it is a matter of suspicion and uncertainty. Jihad is a certainty and the fear of interrogation by the Intelligence is a matter of doubt. In fact, even if he is certain that the Intelligence will interrogate him, this is not an excuse, which absolves him from the sin of sitting back from jihad. The excuse of coercion which is admissible in the shari`ah and which would absolve him of the sin of abandoning an obligation is "direct coercion which threatens loss of life or limb", that is, torture involving death or severance of a limb.

Similarly, fear of police authorities in the country whose passport he holds, even if he is sure that when he returns they will detain him and kill him or sever his limb, is not an acceptable excuse before Allah because in this case he is obliged to forsake his country and live in the land of jihad.

[Allaah Says:]
"Those whose souls the angels take while they are wronging themselves - (the angels) say to them, 'What was the matter with you?' They reply, 'We were weak and oppressed in the land.’ (The angels) say, 'Was not Allah's earth spacious enough that you could emigrate therein?' Then, the abode of those people shall be Hell - how evil a destination it is! Except for such weak and oppressed men, women and children who were neither able to come up with a stratagem (to emigrate) nor shown any way (to do so) - those Allah will surely pardon, and Allah is Most Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving."
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bismillah...

u gotta remember, there's more of an issue of just they parents being sick or not. Now a days, for the most part, parents dont practice their deen much to begin with, and when a kid says, 'o mommy,daddy, i want to fight for ALLAH' automatically they say "NO! U WILL GO TO SCHOOL AND HAVE A FUTURE". The parents now a days are mostly practicing their deen because of culture, its like, is Islam a part of ur life? or is ur life a part of Islam? we gotta look at all the different angles before judging on a case and passing a fatwa on it: do the parents even practice their deen, if yes, do they even agree with jihad (needless to say,most dont). SO there's a lot more than just straight forward question answers...
also: every situation is different...remember, what guarantee is there that u will live to support them in the first place, and if one asks himself sincerely...one would get the answer...there r so many paid 'sheikhs' who r stuck to this dunya life...no point going to them for fatwas...personally speaking...cuz they dont even agree with jihad in first place...as we know...'no jihad without a khalifa' so many say...
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as-salamu`alaykum wa rahmatullah

Jazakum Allahu khayr. I just wanted to clarify that my question wasn't so much so on the issue of seeking permission or having an excuse. It's simply on how the believer can act or plan wisely amidst his preparations.

Anyway I'm sure there are ways suited to each individual case. Moving the family is one of such possibilities. And I suppose from the answer, we shouldn't fear too much about that, and Allah will help us out insha Allah.

May Allah protect the mujahideen and their families.
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Sunday, January 11, 2004
 
KIlroy IS OUT!!!


01-09-2004, 09:44 PM

KIlroy IS OUT!!!
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OK 2DAY AFTER MANY COMPLAINTS, THE BBC HAVE ANNOUNCED THAT KILROYS DAYTIME PROG IS NOT GOING TO BE SHOWN ANYMORE, UNTIL FURTHER INVESTIGATION!! YAYYYYYYYY. THE BBC SAID THAT HIS VIEWS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM, THIS IS GREAT NEWS AS KILROY HAS HAD THAT SHOW FOR 18 YEARS, AND IS PAYED MILLIONS

ANYWAY READ ON......





Britain’s ‘Super Groups’ launched a joint campaign led superbly by the MCB yesterday. After ‘Alerts’ were sent out by all of the ‘Super Groups’ hundreds of outraged Muslims responded.


Calls and emails jammed phone lines and inbox’s of the Express newspaper and the BBC.



It hit most major newspapers almost instantly as the campaign took on a life of its own. Outraged Muslim public finally sick of being demonized by Zionist journalists like Kilroy who used the Media to further his own agenda were fighting back.



The MPAC canons were brought into action after a call from the MCB asked us to inform the Muslim public of this outrage and then went on to spearhead a dramatic Media campaign. We mobilized with dramatic effect as thousands of Muslims hit our website to learn the latest on the campaign (we received more hits on our website over the last 48 hours then ever before).



Hundreds upon hundreds of Muslims took part in the Jihad and called and emailed demanding an end to Kilroy’s racist attacks upon Muslims. The MPAC inbox was rammed with emails from the public informing us of their actions. Many even called their MP.



Or phone lines were humming as Muslim’s called us to offer their support. It was then that we realized how big this campaign was.



Groups like IACN , MAB, MPAC’s student wing ‘IPAS’ and many others also saw action in the battle for our rights. For the first time a Mosque too got involved in the Jihad, perhaps the first domino that will fall and activate all the 1500 Mosques.



Today we have breaking news that Kilroy has been suspended from the BBC pending an investigation. An incredible and stunning victory.



However there is warning clouds on the horizon, today we have been tipped off that Zionist Media teams have finally released alerts to over 50,000 Zionist subscribers and started a major secret campaign to force the BBC to buckle and take no action against Kilroy.



This is not the end of the campaign but the beginning.
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THIS gives hope because when i was with the spooks campaign thingy, we had success, fine ok, the programme was shown, but we got so much media attention, it was all over the news that Spooks had over 1000 complaints, the most ever for the BBC that year, The Largest ever campaign got 1000 Muslims emailing and calling the BBC for the hate Drama Spooks - behind the scenes we were told the Drama should never have been made and the number of complaints will ensure it will never happen again. In this campaign we aim to beat that. We have had enough of paying our license fee to a corporation that pays for men like Kilroy to humiliate us in public.
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This is not the first time he has attacked us, but it must be the last. We want the BBC to stop paying for a racist to attack 2 million license payers who are Muslims within the UK. Ask the BBC - How can any Muslim or Arab go on the Kilroy show now knowing that he holds them personally responsible for the September 11th atrocities? That he hates them and that he feels they need liberating from their culture and religion? Why should our licence fee pay for racists that dehumanise us. Demand he be sacked for this outrage.


So what can you do - Email and Call them now - no more race attacks - no more hate by men like this, we have had enough of having our jobs and our lives ruined:

BBC Director-General : greg.dyke@bbc.co.uk

BBC1 Controller : lorraine.heggessey@bbc.co.uk

Similarly, please bombard the Sunday Express with telephone calls (phone 0207-9288000 and ask for the Sunday Express editor, Martin Townsend) or email and tell him he should sack Kilroy as a columnist. Call him now and email us to tell us what they said, we will print your feedback so thousands around the world will keep updated of the campaign:


Sunday Express Editor : martin.townsend@express.co.uk

Last but not least, email and call the CRE 'The Commission of Racial Equality'. Isn't it strange that this commission will defend all people from race hate except when the Racists attack Muslims! … Call them up and ask them to take action, how dare they drag their feet when we are suffering this type of hate attack so publicly! If they refuse to take any action or make any comment to the press, tell them you will go the Mosque and issue a press release demanding Trevor Philips the head of the commission steps down for allowing Muslim hate to go unchecked.


Attention of Trevor Philips : info@cre.gov.uk

Telephone and don't let them fob you off - get hundreds of calls going in so they cant ignore us ever again : 020 7939 0000

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Subhana Allah.....

a very miniscule success... but nonetheless...its eeman boosting

Jazakh Allahu Kheir

Wa Alaikum Asalam

seeking sincerity....
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Originally Posted by May_We_Achieve
Subhana Allah.....

a very miniscule success... but nonetheless...its eeman boosting

Jazakh Allahu Kheir

Wa Alaikum Asalam

seeking sincerity....
Brother where did you get your info from? MPAC?
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About time too!!
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If he said the same thing about jews or blacks, everyone would have been jumpin out their seats callin for his blood since its muslims no1 cares. people have actually been supporting him.

I swear if he gets his job back, ima make a campaign about the jews. no sob better try and stop me.
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Originally Posted by rose15
Brother where did you get your info from? MPAC?
no

i get it from various sources......

mostly good bros and sis sending me email....
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OK
story so far, kilroy says he regrets if anyone was offended. Also 2moro hes writing his come back article, to justify what he wrote....
Hes also going to be doing some interviews etc

Fact: the article was actually written last April but it was published again.....

MUslims: They want him to make a formal apology

Sunday Express: they standing by him
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Kilroy is an idiot, not just because of his anti arab rant, just generally he's an idiot, if his brains were gunpowder he wouldn't have enough to blow his hat off. with has fake tan and everything
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stop your winning

why are you all so shocked at what this kuff is sayin, he is only saying what alot the brits think!

WELCOME TO REALITY!
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who said we r shocked? not sure wer u got that from...

we jus r not standing for it

kafr is kafr....
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then be seated, and get ready for all the kuffar to speak up, cos thats what is going to happen, and then the day will come when, nothing but actions will help!
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Today, 12:21 AM
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It sounds to me like the comments made by Kilroy, while not being politically correct, hold a great deal of truth. Let's examine some parallels, shall we?

We have had to listen to Abu Hook's hatred and vitriol for how long? a man wanted for terrorist crimes in Yemen

We have to listen to the idiots at Al Mujaharoun and Hizb al Tahir and Sheikh Bakri, again spewing anti Western venom and inciting violence.

If these same Muslims were as offended by these guys as they pretend to be at the comments coming from Kilroy, they wouldn't come across as being such total hypocrites. I for one, have little patience for Islamofasicsts telling us how horrible and evil we infidels are. If only they had the same enthusiasm for denouncing Al Queda and the host of other Islamofasicst organizations currently involved in acts of mass murder.
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kilroy is in a situation of power and influence, the others arent. he should be careful of what he writes.

the mass media has a big effect on peoples thinking.

the west should understand how important the arabs concept of 0 in maths was.



and no we will not condemn our brothers who are fighting a righteous war against the USA and its puppets.
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Thursday, January 08, 2004
 
La France pue la merde! France detains eight in "anti-terrorist" swoop


Yesterday, 07:44 PM
La France pue la merde! France detains eight in "anti-terrorist" swoop
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here we go again...

New Terorists to add to the thousands of terrorists that are already in european jails...

this time its an Imam his wife and son etc.....

LA HAWLA WA LA KUWATA LANA ILA BILLAH!

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Di...04010725925.xml


The Anti-Islamic Guestapo is comming...
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what next? Ban Islam altogether? Make it an "illegal" religion?!?!?
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elle est belle la democracie...

comme qui dirait...

Je suis tombe par terre c'est la faute a Voltaire,
Le nez dans le ruisseau ... C'est la faute a Rousseau...

5 MILLION MUSLIMS IN FRANCE AND THEY CANNOT DO ANYTHING!

DAAAAAAM !!!!!

WAKE UP MUSLIMS!!!
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Yesterday, 07:51 PM
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je ne sais pas...

france seems like a terrible place for islaam, and not just because of the government...
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exe...B852B6E0314.htm

when will we see jews being arrested for financing the building of ILLEGAL settlements in israHell... or financing terrorism by helping the IDF?!?!?
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salamu alaykum
mashaAllah tu parles bien français Abu Hanzalah, comment a tu appris?

well this is france a country who, with is neighbors, lunched many crusades. so their hate for Islam is not unknown. many muslims are arested in so called "muslim" country remember


PARIS: French police detained eight suspected militants yesterday, including an imam and his wife and son, as part of an investigation into links between French nationals and Chechen separatists, officials said.
did you ever noticed how they are always "supected"?

Allahu akbar
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"The Injustice of this Earth, O Lord…"
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Several years ago, the US and some allies wanted to punish Sudan, a mostly Muslim country. They accused Sudan of sponsoring "terrorism," allowing slavery, and forbidding religious freedom. Well, the vice president of Sudan at that time was a Christian. And the government outlawed slavery and hostage-taking.

As for "terrorism," who was terrorizing whom? Christians were trying to claim that Sudanese Christians in the south were being persecuted by Muslims (mostly situated in the north). In fact, there's a Christian terrorist group called the Sudanese People's Liberation Front (SPLF) that was fighting the government. Plus, missionaries allegedly funded Christians to fight Muslims to prevent the spread of Islam.

Furthermore, there's another Christian terrorist group in Africa called the Lord's Resistance Army. If I'm not mistaken, they helped launch attacks against Sudan to destabilize the country. Normally in this type of situation, the rebels who were fighting the government would be considered terrorists, but since they're Christian, they were not.

Rather, the US, Israel, and Ethiopia supported Christian terrorists fighting the Sudanese Muslims. Why did Israel get involved? Clearly, the US, Israel, and Ethiopia "sponsored terrorism." Why aren't they punished then? Why the double standards? Why are the actions of some countries okay, but not the actions of other countries? Why is a lower value of life placed on Muslims?

If it were the other way around, and Muslims were fighting a government, they'd be called "terrorists." The word "terrorist" has been used in a very racist manner since 9/11, and even Muslims are carelessly using this term, perhaps without realizing their own short-sightedness. They're basically agreeing with anti-Islamic people and doing their bidding, not realizing that anti-Islamic people hate Muslims either way.

Other terms being used are "Islamist" and "fundamentalist." What do those words mean, and who made them up? When Muslims do or say anything, why are the media intent on constantly mentioning their faith? Why don't they do the same with Jews or Christians when they commit crimes? Why is it okay for Jewish and Christian countries to have nuclear weapons?

When genocide was taking place in 1994 in Burundi, "Hutu extremists" (terrorists?) slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Tutsis and "moderate Hutus." The quoted terms are what were used by the media. I could be wrong, but weren't they mostly Christians? See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...ok/geos/by.html. (In neighboring Rwanda, the Hutus and Tutsis are also mostly Christian.) Weren't these Christian terrorists who committed this genocide? Some people there turned to Islam because it promotes brotherhood.

Whenever Muslims do anything, they are lambasted. All of Israel's and the US' actions are made to seem justified, since they are part of the "Western civilized world." Even when bad stuff happens to Muslims, some anti-Islamic people try to concoct cheap excuses to make the (Muslim) victim seem like the villain. They lie to themselves, but their hatred of Islam blinds them.

They make it seem like Muslims are the worst people in the world, but look at the following statistics about countries with the most rapes and murders, respectively:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap

I suppose it does no good to say this, but I'm so sick of the injustices taking place. I'm tired of the double standards and the hypocrisy, and the various tactics used to harm Muslims. I'm tired of how Muslim countries are bullied by Western powers, and how the media always attack Islam and use words like "terrorist" only to describe Muslims.

Prior to 9/11, I admit that I was largely ignorant of these issues and many more -- and I have yet to learn -- but now I understand more why some Muslims are so angry. I'm sick and tired of this world.


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Sometimes when I think about all these things, and I hear all these negative things on the news, I can't take it. I waste so much time thinking, too. Sometimes I'd rather die than deal with all this.
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Today, 03:30 AM
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Protocol7: Don't worry too much about it. Think about it in this way: If they are saying such bad things about us and doing all that they can to fight us and oppose us, it is a good sign. Why? If they were happy with us, it means there's something seriously wrong with us. Allah says that as long as the Muslims are following Islam, then the kuffar will never be happy with them. They will only be happy with the Muslims when the Muslims completely leave their religion.

You can see that even though the kuffar are resorting to such cheap tricks and deceit in order to try and block people from the way of Allah (i.e. from accepting Islam), Islam is still the fastest-growing religion, and the system of the kuffar is declining and ready to collapse.

Look at the declining birth-rate of the kuffar versus the growing numbers of Muslims. Soon the majority of people in Europe will be the Muslims!

Look at how much crime, rape, murder, drug abuse, etc, etc, they have, which we don't have!

Don't worry brother, the fact that they are resorting to dirty and cheap tricks proves that they are already defeated. But Allah just wants the Muslims to get up and finish them off.

These kuffar are not strong, rather their system is the most fragile and weak system, and their individuals/people are the most fragile and weak people if you only look at how they live. The only reason that they are dominant at the moment is that the Muslims have sat back from their obligations.

Allah says: "Do not let yourself be decieved by the free movement of the kuffar in the land (i.e. their going here and there, their apparent dominance etc.). It is only a little enjoyment, then they will be brought back to Jahannam, and what an evil resting place!"

We hope that everyone will see the downfall of the worldwide kufr very soon in sha' Allah. Remember that "the weakest house is the spider's house"... as Allah says. Their system is like that.

Look at what they used to say to the Prophet (s.a.w.) while he was in Makkah, while the Muslims were a small and materially weak and outnumbered. Look at the persecutions and tortures they faced.

What happened 10 years later? The Muslims took over Makkah and the chiefs of the mushrikeen were sitting in humiliation with their heads down, while Bilal was standing tall on top of the Ka'bah calling the Adhan!

Cheer up my brother, and just remember that all we have to do is our part, and Allah will fulfill the rest.
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Rather than wish for death, rejoice.

Think about what Allaah swt has give you.

Todays times, it is easy to see which path is the correct one and which path leads to destruction of our aakhirah.

When i was young, i used to make du'aa that this time would come, because then i would KNOW which side to take, (after reading the books about the signs before the day of judgment).

I would say it is easier for us in our generation, with the ease of access of knowledge of islaam, to know where to point our heads, and inshaaAllaah attain Allaah's mercy.

Allaahumma thabbitna ala deenik
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Today, 09:05 AM
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Don't be disheartened.We must not be fed up with this world.Live and make good use of each day.Remember to do at least one thing in favour of Islam each day.It could be giving a good advise to some one.It could be forwarding an email.It could be posting something in the web.It could be giving a handout to someone.It could be giving a book to someone.It could be donating some money.It could be giving a vote in the internet.But,remember.This something that you do must promote Islam.It must help to improve the image of Islam.At least one of these each day.Pray for the improvement of the situation.Don't forget to perform the prayers.Keep in line with Islam.Don't worry.Be happy.
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Sunday, January 04, 2004
 
Contribute to the new Islamic state!
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as-salamu`alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Islaam is the solution to everything, alhamdulillah 'ala ni'matihi.

As such, I've always wondered what practical alternatives can be implemented in a new Islamic state, when the believers are victorious and establish Shari'ah in a certain land.

For example, showbiz is a huge industry in many parts of the world, therefore the question will be what can Islaam provide in place of that to keep the 'ummah going and remaining productive?

So hopefully we can contribute some ideas insha Allah ta'ala.

What you can do is either name an existing industry (or major activity, etc.) and state the Islamic alternative OR simply give Islamic alternatives.

Jazakum Allahu khayr.

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i always thought it would be beneficial if the shurah that aided the Imam was elected by the ppl...the Imam would still havea uthority and share no power whatsoever with the shura, however the shura would simply be elected so that the ppl had some voice or say
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Islaam is the solution to everything
Sure Is.
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Originally Posted by Ibn_Saif
i always thought it would be beneficial if the shurah that aided the Imam was elected by the ppl...the Imam would still havea uthority and share no power whatsoever with the shura, however the shura would simply be elected so that the ppl had some voice or say
Looking for democracy? What I read said that this group is elected by the people.
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12-30-2003, 12:29 AM
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in english we tend to read to the end of the paragrpah.... the shura would have no power over the imam nor would they share any
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12-30-2003, 12:30 AM
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even the mujahideen held small elections in afghanistan...if u ask me for proof i wont be able to bring it b/c i heard it on tv...a mujahid who fought in afghanistan along sided the mujahideen said it...he was kuwaiti i believe...but no i am not looking for democracy...
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12-30-2003, 12:40 AM
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There should be separate schools for girls...they shouldnt go to the same school as guys, it just makes everything hard
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12-30-2003, 02:48 PM
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Ibn Saif, I agree akhi.
Men and women should have seperate ways of learning. Two different schools attatched would be nice. But I don't think its enough to stop there... I would BAN women working in the same jobs as the men... Women should have seperate everything. But I mean that the men should establish this for us. Seperate hospitals too... I'm for a very seperate yet equal society...
LOL, I see the rage in the feminist muslims already... lol...

Asalaam Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,
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AsalamuAlaykum Wa Rahmatulahi Wa Barakatuh......

If we still have TV's by then, I would advise the stoning to death.........be shown on TV. I just watched a shia get stoned to death in Iran (Video). And Allahu Akbar, they might be kaafirs and deviants.......but seeing that punishment is a massive deterrent........Allahu'Allam what awaits in hell!.
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12-30-2003, 03:43 PM
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assalaamu aleykum wa rahmatullaah

- all muslims can enter the country. Not visa stuffs like in Saudia, for example.

-Trying to make the life of muslims as easy as possible, and for kuffaar as hard as possible.

- Making as much goods as possible in the country; food , hygienig things, medicine, cars etc so that the country could sell out things and do well without being dependant of other countries.

i can't think anything else right now...
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12-30-2003, 03:45 PM
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Insha a Allaah nothing awaits in Hell after being stoning to death.

That's good use of tv, masha a Allaah. And the rest Quraan,learning Quraan and lectures and maybe some educational programms like medicine or biology. Same thing with the radio.
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as-salamu`alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Jazakum Allahu khayr. I can't really comment on the posts, but alhamdulillah.

Some additional thoughts:

- The fashion industry. Some of us may think that it can be 'islamicised' but I don't think so. The Islamic alternative? Scrap it.

- The film industry. While the stars may be few, the whole crew behind the scenes make up a great number. Therefore instead of letting their talent go to waste, we can make up theme parks (using their expertise as well as those of them who run theme parks), of battlegrounds and such. Providing realistic training fields for the Muslims.

(I'm thinking along the lines of the X-men's training room whatever they call it)

And there are plenty other ways to make use of the industry's technology.

Allahu a'lam.
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The Future of Warfare: Hell on Earth?


12-20-2003, 04:06 AM
The Future of Warfare: Hell on Earth?
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Salaams. I had heard about this weapons weeks ago from CNN, but today on National Public Radio they interviewed the Israeli inventor of the gun that can shoot at right angles. It got me thinking...

With so much advancement in weaponry, and continued build-up of the US and Israeli militaries, what does the future of warfare hold? What happens if the US (hypocritically) develops mini-nukes? What if some day there was a "nuclear suicide bomber"?

How much power is enough power? Will all this advanced weaponry ever be used? When will the US and Israel be satisfied with their militaries, and what will the implications be for Muslims?

These are some thoughts I'm having. Not to complain, but I have to admit that I'm worried about Muslims' weak position, and lack of education and development. At least in the old days there was more man-to-man combat, where skill was more of a factor.

Now, in the future, I could picture the US or Israel sending a remote-controlled plane (without a human pilot) over Muslim areas to bomb them. Sorry, but I'm kind of pessimistic about the Muslim position in the future of warfare.
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12-20-2003, 04:16 AM
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Technology doesnt win wars.

When 2 armies meet, and one army is made up of muwahhidoon fighting to raise Allaah's Word, and the other is a disbelieving army...

Who has the hosts from Allaah amongst their ranks?
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group overcame a mighty group by Allah’s leave? And Allah is with the
patient.” [Quran 2:249]
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Surah 19

73. And when Our Clear Verses are recited to them, those who disbelieve (the rich and strong among the pagans of Quraish who live a life of luxury) say to those who believe (the weak, poor companions of Prophet Muhammad SAW who have a hard life): "Which of the two groups (i.e. believers and disbelievers) is best in (point of) position and as regards station (place of council for consultation)."

74. And how many a generation (past nations) have We destroyed before them, who were better in wealth, goods and outward appearance?

75. Say (O Muhammad SAW) whoever is in error, the Most Beneficent (Allah) will extend (the rope) to him, until, when they see that which they were promised, either the torment or the Hour, they will come to know who is worst in position, and who is weaker in forces.
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12-20-2003, 05:33 AM
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a little something to note about warfare:
you have:
numbers
weaponry
moral
but most importantly...DEVOTION AND COURAGE
we got it, they dont
'i bring to you people who love death as much as you love life'
these kufar dont have that
and just a lil something to note, if one looks at the history of islamic battles, one would note that the kufar have had better weaponry and after we've defeated them, we've taken it from them as war booty...

SO, i say, go on, advance your weaponry, it will end up in our hands insha'ALLAH anyways. Afterall, im sure you guys have seen the taliban video that came out earlier this year where they are using night vision which is taken from american soldiers...and at the start of the afghan soviet war, hardly any automatic or semi automatic weaponry existed in afghanistan, it was only through killing thousands of russian soldiers and capturing their AK 47 that now all of afghan fighters carry AKs...and last: the scud missiles were brought into afghanistan by the soviets and the mujahideen up north (masood) feared how strong they were, but after kicking their butt, they captured them and now they say at least 10-15 scud missiles are hidden in the panjsheer valley under N.A control, just last week the N.A warlord Fahim surrendered 2 of them as a part of his role in the weapon handover going on...
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12-20-2003, 06:24 AM
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Good lord I'm going ta PUKE.

Anyone who thinks Muslims are being left behind needs to do their research. There is NO weapon on the face of thie Earth that the kuffar have that the Muslims dont have or that Muslims dont have an answer to.

Thats my challenge.

Anyone who doubts it, Bring It On.
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"Good lord I'm going ta PUKE."

Need a bucket, dude?

"Anyone who thinks Muslims are being left behind needs to do their research. There is NO weapon on the face of thie Earth that the kuffar have that the Muslims dont have or that Muslims dont have an answer to."

Of course I hope you're right, but what about US Stealth Fighter Jets, and US satellite spy capability? What about America's 21,700 lb. bomb called the GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast (MOAB)??? I heard some science guy on the radio talking about the US putting weapons in space. That seems unimaginable. And what about this laser cannon that the US and Israel developed (see link below)?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/10/29/laser.cannon.ap/index.html
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protocol 7...

i have one answer...ALLAH!

what happened when the elephants were coming to destroy the kaba...surah al-fil...the brids came and destroyed them all...

and what happened in badr? when the muslims some say only had 9 swords and the kufar 3 time more men fully equipped with weapons and armour...did not the muslims totally innhialate them?

victory is from ALLAH and so is defeat, at the very least know that Islam has been promised success and it will happen anyway ALLAH wills it to happen...
let us hope ALLAH uses us as the weapons to destroy these disbelievers and supporters of shaytan.

one cannot destroy what one cannot see...
'and we sent them unseen help'

ALLAH is muqqdim and muakhir...success and glory is in HIS control...

-soldier of ALLAH
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Now, in the future, I could picture the US or Israel sending a remote-controlled plane (without a human pilot) over Muslim areas to bomb them. - Protocol 7

This has already happened.
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Yesterday, 03:09 AM
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US drones take combat role

By Keith Somerville
BBC News Online
The killing of six suspected members of the al-Qaeda network by America's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in Yemen on Monday has drawn attention again to the US ability to use hi-tech weapons to attack its enemies.

The six were killed when their car was hit by a missile fired by a CIA unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) or drone, according to unnamed sources.



The BBC's Defence Correspondent, Jonathan Marcus, says that the CIA has been using Predator drones armed with anti-tank missiles in Afghanistan.

It is likely that this was the sort of drone used in the Yemen attack. It could have been launched by US forces in Djibouti, across the Red Sea from Yemen.



On 25 October, the US Defense Department admitted for the first time that it was using armed drones to attack targets which threatened US and British air patrols over southern Iraq.

In the past, drones have been used as a cheap form of aerial reconnaissance which avoided endangering pilots' lives

The chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers, said the advantage of using Predator drones in combat was that they could remain in the air for long periods and then respond immediately if they spot hostile targets.

New role in Afghanistan

The use of unmanned aircraft carrying cameras or sensors to gather intelligence started in the 1950s and has developed steadily since then.

Initially, they had a limited range, could only stay in the air for short periods and were prone to communications and control problems. Today, according to Jonathan Marcus, the American Global Hawk UAV can loiter over the battlefield for up to 24 hours at altitudes greater than 60,000 feet (18.3 km), providing real-time intelligence to commanders who may be far away from the scene of the engagement.



But the war against al-Qaeda and the Taleban led to drones being specially adapted to carry weapons - notably Hellfire anti-armour missiles.

Reports from Afghanistan said that drones had been able to locate key al-Qaeda or Taleban leaders, but ground or air attack units had then been unable to follow up with successful combat missions.

Henceforth the capability to attack targets was identified as a valuable addition to the drone's usefulness.

The adapted drones were used in Afghanistan and now in Iraq and, it is presumed, in the attack against al-Qaeda suspects in Yemen.

Widely used intelligence tool

The United States is far from being the only country to use drones.

Israel is a major producer and user of military drones, using them for reconnaissance of its borders and to gather military intelligence about its Arab neighbours' military capabilities.

In June, Pakistan shot down a drone being used by the Indian military along their border. It is believed that Israel had sold India Hunter and Searcher drones in the late 1990s.

Those UAVs are like very large model aircraft and carry cameras and sensors rather than weapons.

Two years ago, the Iraqi news agency reported that the country's air defences had shot down an Iranian drone which had intruded into its air space.



Key weapon against Iraq

The US used drones in the Balkans in 1999 and lost at least one of them due either to hostile fire or control problems resulting from a build up of ice on their wings.



Afghanistan was the first conflict in which drones are known to have been used as weapons platforms.

Now they are being used against al-Qaeda and their use is likely to expand in the future because of their flexibility and because they do not directly put US personnel at risk in attacks on targets. It is thought that after the extensive bombing campaign there, the US has been building up its stockpile of UAVs ahead of any conflict with Iraq, where the drones could play a major role as part of the US arsenal of so-called smart weapons.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/2404425.stm

Click on the above to see an image of a drone.
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what will they do when a storm gathers over the battlefield and a fog that makes them blind? where is there weaponry now? where is the high tech weaponry?
they are limited, but our du'as during the battle are answered before our hands come down...

ALLAH never leaves or forsakes HIS slaves...do you not think that HE has a plan that is far greater than theirs?

they though bombing afghanistan and iraq was a victory for them...yet how many ppl have realised their duty to their deen and how many have attained martyrdom? how many have joined their loved ones in the heavens? and how many have the burning desire to also attain martyrdom and join their loved ones...

they plan and ALLAH plans, ALLAH is the best of planners...

all these weapons talks is cheap man... they bomb..ok... Islam grows stronger for every blood of a mujahid that falls...
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