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Wednesday, September 04, 2002
 
What do Muslims want from the rest of the world?
metalvan
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Location: chicago illinois
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What do Muslims want from the rest of the world?
As a 34yr old American male, I have only in the last few years followed the news moderately- thanks to the internet. As I have never trusted any one source of news, myself and most people are confused as to what Muslims want in exchange for peace. (Most of us dont believe in bargaining for peace from terrorism, but it is a genuine question nonetheless)

Also, should we negotiate with people that are killing civilians? Do most of the people on this site believe it is okay to kill "squatters"? Would an American like myself have to be worried about getting my head cut off if I visited an Arab country?
Would I be killed or jailed for praying to Jesus in my home? (I like to say that I think there is a Jesus and God because I am scared about going to hell.)

If the Israelis pulled out completely and abandoned every area claimed by Arabs, where would they go? Does anyone care? Didnt they earn some of that land when they repelled attacks against them in the past? (Attacks from more than one Arab country by the way). Disclaimer: Morally I support the Israeli citizens but I have no idea if their military has been fighting a "clean" fight. I dont accept the idea of targeting citizens.

What do the Arab countries export to the rest of the world? (I know oil is one, but I never see any other products here)

I just want honest opinions from the people of this site. If you cant restrain yourself from calling me names (ignorant, uneducated, etc etc), then dont waste your time replying.
Thanks

-metalvan



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09-03-2002 08:27 PM



Majid
Remember Allah Always

Registered: Dec 2001
Location: London
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Dear Metalvan,

quote:
As I have never trusted any one source of news, myself and most people are confused as to what Muslims want in exchange for peace. (Most of us dont believe in bargaining for peace from terrorism, but it is a genuine question nonetheless)


What do Muslims want in exchange for peace?

Well it's simple:

A) Get out of our Holy Land, in Saudi Arabia, this is the first solution.

B) Stop supporting the terrorist state of Israel with arms and funds to kill innocent palestinian civilians.

C) Stop your crusade against Islam.

D) Stay out of our affairs.

You stated, that you dont believe in bargaining for peace from terrorism, I think you have got one major thing wrong, it is your country, who invades any land when she wishes, and it is your country which make up with the term 'colateral damage,' as an excuse for killing innocent civilians. It is your country who is now shouting out for a pre-emptive strike against Iraq. It is your country who has imposed sanctions upon Iraq, which dont effect the Iraqi leadership, but the Iraqi people, dont you know the statistics? Or should I bring them for you, if you wish?


quote:
Also, should we negotiate with people that are killing civilians?


Should we (Muslims) negotiate with people that are killing civilians? What have you done in Afghanistan?

quote:
Would I be killed or jailed for praying to Jesus in my home? (I like to say that I think there is a Jesus and God because I am scared about going to hell.)


Islamic rule for over 1300 years, accepted everyone of different faiths. While the Christian countries were kicking the Jews out of their lands, it was the Muslims who gave refuge to those who were persecuted.

And no you wont be killed or jailed for praying to Jesus, If there was a Khilafah (Islamic Ruling) in the world, you will be ordered to pay a tax for your security, and your worship will be allowed.

quote:
If the Israelis pulled out completely and abandoned every area claimed by Arabs, where would they go


It is Palestinian land, and the land of Muslims. If you have so much concern for them, why dont you accomidate them in freedom loving America?



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09-03-2002 11:02 PM



Ahmed Al-Leebee
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"As I have never trusted any one source of news"
1)well, clearly you have been listening to CNN and Fox News which is filled with lies.

Everyday muslims and in particular Arabs are called "terrorists", if you step aside and think from an un-biased view point, the only terrorists are the americans, british and israeli's.

"If the Israelis pulled out completely and abandoned every area claimed by Arabs, where would they go? Does anyone care? Didnt they earn some of that land when they repelled attacks against them in the past? "

1)"where would they go?" - they would go back to where they came from, most from europe
2)"Does anyone care?" - i certainly wouldn't
3)"Didnt they earn some of that land when they repelled attacks against them in the past?" - No, they didn't "earn" any of the palestinian land, it was practicly given to them by the British

"Would an American like myself have to be worried about getting my head cut off if I visited an Arab country?
Would I be killed or jailed for praying to Jesus in my home?"

1)"Would an American like myself have to be worried about getting my head cut off if I visited an Arab country? " - No, Did John Walker Lindh get his head cut-off?, although he was a muslim he still resembled an American

2)"Would I be killed or jailed for praying to Jesus in my home?" - where did you get this nonesense from?

"What do the Arab countries export to the rest of the world? (I know oil is one, but I never see any other products here)"

1) Arabia has been exporting many raw materials for many years, if it was up to me i wouldn't give a bean to any kufr country.

i hope this has helped you in some way



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09-03-2002 11:33 PM



metalvan
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What do Muslims want in exchange for peace?

Well it's simple:

A) Get out of our Holy Land, in Saudi Arabia, this is the first solution.
**Saudi Arabia and many other countries dont seem to mind when are defending them against hostile countries.

B) Stop supporting the terrorist state of Israel with arms and funds to kill innocent palestinian civilians.
**Killing innocent palestinian civilians is not the intent of the Israelis. Civilians are not targeted. It is just as unfair for you to label all Israelis as terrorists as it is to call all Muslims terrorists.
They are surrounded by Arab territories and have no chance of survival if it were not for us. History has shown that they have been attacked quite often and they need the support in order to survive.

C) Stop your crusade against Islam.
***What crusade? Before 9/11 most of us didnt even know what a Muslium was, or care for that matter. We practice free expression of religion and do not make it a habit of intruding into other religions unless it effects the seperation of church and state and when a religion startes making waves. You can blame mostly yourselves for how Americans feel about you because you let us think the worst by not condeming the killing of civilians. Mostly what we see is Muslims cheering and throwing candy.

D) Stay out of our affairs. -You stated, that you dont believe in bargaining for peace from terrorism, I think you have got one major thing wrong, it is your country, who invades any land when she wishes, and it is your country which make up with the term 'colateral damage,' as an excuse for killing innocent civilians. It is your country who is now shouting out for a pre-emptive strike against Iraq. It is your country who has imposed sanctions upon Iraq, which dont effect the Iraqi leadership, but the Iraqi people, dont you know the statistics? Or should I bring them for you, if you wish?
**We invade because we believe in making a difference in the world that is good, because we can. And yes, "collatoral damage" is an excuse, but at least it is an honest excuse. We do not target civilians, but maybe the big brave fighters in dirtville would stop hiding behind women and children and we wouldnt have this problem. Also yes, we do impose sanctions on Iraq and still give billions upon billions- so does the rest of the world. Where does it go? Why are Arab civilians in the world among the poorest yet their leaders are the richest. Your leaders sit on OIL. So you dont believe in sanctions or premptive strikes. I bet though you believe in just ignoring leaders like him because he's a "brother".
Statistics in your part of the world are meaningless if provided by a source censored by your government.

quote:
Also, should we negotiate with people that are killing civilians?
Should we (Muslims) negotiate with people that are killing civilians? What have you done in Afghanistan?
***Like I said, it's accidental. And again- the fighters and terrorist leaders need to quit hiding in schools and apartment buildings filled with children.

Would I be killed or jailed for praying to Jesus in my home? (I like to say that I think there is a Jesus and God because I am scared about going to hell.)
Islamic rule for over 1300 years, accepted everyone of different faiths. While the Christian countries were kicking the Jews out of their lands, it was the Muslims who gave refuge to those who were persecuted.
And no you wont be killed or jailed for praying to Jesus, If there was a Khilafah (Islamic Ruling) in the world, you will be ordered to pay a tax for your security, and your worship will be allowed.
*** You mean pay money or get my butt kicked? We use to call that the Mafia here.

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If the Israelis pulled out completely and abandoned every area claimed by Arabs, where would they go
It is Palestinian land, and the land of Muslims. If you have so much concern for them, why dont you accomidate them in freedom loving America?
****Actually we have, quite a bit of them. As a matter of fact there is a disproportionate amount of Jews that succeed in business and school here than from the other races in this country. Ive notice that many from India are similar. Sorry I dont know about Arabs. We accomodate who we can when we can. I have concern for any and all races that are under terrorist threat or under suppresive rule from their governments. And no, Im not a Jew but I work for a small family Jewish owned business and they treat me pretty good. (Okay, one of them IS a tightwad with his money, but only one out of 5 of founders)

In closing I would like to say that Muslims dont do enough to denounce violence against civilians. There's always a reason why some terrorist had the right to murder people going about their daily business somewhere in the world. Americans would embrace a peaceful culture if that culture could walk the talk.

Thanks for dicussing these things.
-metalvan



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09-03-2002 11:39 PM



SasJamal
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Actually we dont want anythin from you, at all. We only want you to realize that No Deity on the Face of the Earth has the right to be worshipped except Allah.

We dont want you to legislate man made laws you are not god.

We do not want you to fear someone more then God

We do not want you to love anyone more then god.

The Killing, crimes, etc. these are secondary issues, we would love to lose our lives for the Call of Monotheism to be Higest in the Land.


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09-03-2002 11:47 PM



Nman
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"No, Did John Walker Lindh get his head cut-off?, although he was a muslim he still resembled an American "

What if he wasn't a Muslim?


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09-03-2002 11:52 PM



Majid
Remember Allah Always

Registered: Dec 2001
Location: London
Posts: 446
quote:
**Saudi Arabia and many other countries dont seem to mind when are defending them against hostile countries.


Dont get muddled up with Muslim leaders, and the true Muslims, there are some Muslims who are just Muslims by name, and in effect comply by everything the United States day, just like Saudi Arabia. However, the true Muslims know that it is against Islam for the US forces to be stationed in our Holy Lands.

quote:
**Killing innocent palestinian civilians is not the intent of the Israelis. Civilians are not targeted.


A untrue statement, civilians have been targeted, didn't you see that little boy with his father on TV, being SHOT to death? Was his father holding a gun? No, and still the Israeli soldiers resorted to cowardly acts. Dont try to cover up the acts of the Israelis. We know, when innocent civilians are targeted.

quote:
History has shown that they have been attacked quite often and they need the support in order to survive.


Well, you have compromised your own security just for the sake of the Jewish lobby.

quote:
Where does it go? Why are Arab civilians in the world among the poorest yet their leaders are the richest. Your leaders sit on OIL. So you dont believe in sanctions or premptive strikes. I bet though you believe in just ignoring leaders like him because he's a "brother".


I honestly dont know what you're talking about. I dont believe in ignoring leaders like him because he's a "brother", Islam is a religion of justice, and we dont hide the facts just to protect our Brothers, infact if our own parents were involved in a act against Islam, we would have to be on the side of Islam, rather than our parents. Yes the leaders sit on OIL, but they are not the leaders of the Ummah (The whole Muslim world).

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And again- the fighters and terrorist leaders need to quit hiding in schools and apartment buildings filled with children.


Stop making baseless statements. Which fighters and 'terrorirst leaders' have been hiding in schools and apartment buildings? It seems you've been another product of brainwashing by CNN and Foxnews. Wake up, fighters dont hide in apartment buildings, there job is to fight, to protect their citizens, and religion, and fight to the death, not to hide in apartment buildings.

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n closing I would like to say that Muslims dont do enough to denounce violence against civilians.


We will denounce whenever we feel the need to.

Maybe you should take a bit of your own medicine, and denounce the acts of terrorism, barbarism that your country has committed?

Wake up and smell the coffee.



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09-03-2002 11:54 PM



Ahmed Al-Leebee
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"No, Did John Walker Lindh get his head cut-off?, although he was a muslim he still resembled an American "

What if he wasn't a Muslim?"

nothing would change, there are many and i mean many arab christians, they are not harmed in anyway.



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09-04-2002 12:03 AM



Ahmed Al-Leebee
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metalvan, you keep ranting on how we kill civilians all the time, didn't you notice that in places like palestine, kashmir, chechnya and afghanistan civilians die everyday, just in the past 3 days 400 hundred kashmiri muslims were killed by the indian army, backed by America, but CNN and Fox News don't tell you what really happens they just keep brainwashing you Americans "arabs are terrorists, muslims are evil" etc..

in the past 5 days over a dozen palestinians were killed, women and children, does CNN show this? but when a palestinian goes into israel and blows himself up to kill some jews the whole world condemn it, even if 1 jew dies, but when dozens of palestinians die, who cares??, seems like no one.


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09-04-2002 12:09 AM



Ibn El-Sheikh
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3 Words
Leave us alone

We don't want your economic 'aid', we don't want your military 'support', we don't want your puppet governments, we don't want anything from you guys.


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09-04-2002 01:45 AM



metalvan
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Ibn El-Sheikh
To: Ibn El-Sheikh


Well.... by looking at your location, you DO like our TV shows



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09-04-2002 02:47 AM



Sohail554
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Your stupid goverment is stupid and dumb. What you learned in school about your dumb history which is fake i might add. Go learn about the freemasons. Yeah and hella lot muslims in pak/india were burned to death but cnn or any american media didnt report this. Dont forget about bosnia either. Would ur pathetic country let Saudi Army in america, Like americas goverment is living the life in other countrys. Hope the SSP kill the ones(Army,Indians) at pakistan.

PS: Freemasons are sorta explained in Metal Gear Solid 2. Except with different names.

PS2: America is truly a 1 sided country since they came to this land.

PS3: In Brothers want to correct me on some of the things i said can go ahead.



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09-04-2002 02:51 AM



Sohail554
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PS4: Your ignorant.



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09-04-2002 02:52 AM



metalvan
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To SASJAMAL
In reply to:
"Actually we dont want anythin from you, at all. We only want you to realize that No Deity on the Face of the Earth has the right to be worshipped except Allah. We dont want you to legislate man made laws you are not god. We do not want you to fear someone more then God. We do not want you to love anyone more then god. The Killing, crimes, etc. these are secondary issues, we would love to lose our lives for the Call of Monotheism to be Higest in the Land."
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If you dont want anything from us then tell your leaders in governement to stop accepting our money. Stop using the technology that has its origins in the US. Stop watching television. Stop using any product made in the USA or by any other non-muslim country. Sincerely I think you get my point.

How are you to make us "realize" that only Allah has the right to be worshipped? By commiting acts of aggression against us? By war? By outright admiring the people that slam airplanes into places of business? Or do you prefer debate? The one thing about my country is that our wars are nationalistic by nature and not religious.
As US citizens we immediately made sure to protect US Muslims after 9/11, from racist attacks and verbal abuse- but to our dismay we have heard time and time again how we deserve it.Neither have we heard any rousing, convincing, etc., pro-American declaration from that community since that tragic date.
Believe me there is no rally of Muslims in this country eager to embrace the idea that even Muslims can be murderers. Can't non-muslims be victimized? There's always an excuse, it's always the fault of the United States.
We embrace people of all religions and our cultural make up in this country proves it more than any other. Is there still racism? -You bet. But it is slowly melting away.
Would I be allowed to build a 30,000sq ft catholic church right in the middle of one of your villages? I dont think so. But here, we have many mosques, grandious in nature. We believe that all men are created equal and that God has given us rights that cannot be taken away by man (this means you too). I know you've all heard that before, but it's true. The biggest God given right is FREEDOM. With freedom people can pursue their religions without fear.
In World War II, Lutheran clergymen with German congregations in America never once said, "We must undermine America for our beloved Fuehrer Adolf Hitler." Catholic priests in Italian parishes never once said, "America is decadent, and we must bring it down for our beloved Duce, Benito Mussolini." And Japanese-American troops, called "nisei," demoralized their German foes in Italy with their combat ferocity.
Mosques all over America, however, are echo chambers for the Wahabi line. And it's pretty awful.
I cant stress how important it is for Muslims to pick up the volume and start denouncing the terror.

Now, ... that was a rant. I hope it proves useful in UNDERSTANDING my point of view.


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09-04-2002 03:14 AM



Anas003
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Re: Ibn El-Sheikh
quote:
Originally posted by metalvan
To: Ibn El-Sheikh


Well.... by looking at your location, you DO like our TV shows


Yep...thats true, do U know exactly, what shows the so-called "Muslims" like....Baywatch..and VIP and all the similar shows.....so you are right

An 13-19yr old...so-called "Muslim" [where i lived], America and Americans... are more like their Gods....

ummm...in other words...the word "Muslims" is a bit tooo wide so try narrowing it down..





 
An Evil End For This Filthy Woman
UmmKhubayb
The Taaliban are styly!!!

Registered: Apr 2002
Location: London, UK
Posts: 1831

Salaam,
see the end of those who mock Allah and His Messenger:
[Incident happened in January 2001]
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Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalaamu `alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakataatuh,

I hope all of you are well. A few days ago some friends sent me a
shocking story that I wanted to pass on, but I refrained because I needed to verify the story before sharing it. It was about an incident in a mall in Riyadh. Today, my dad spoke to my brother (who lives in Riyadh) and my
brother verified that it was a true incident that was widely reported in the local papers.

Anyhow, here it is...
This is a factual account of an incident that happened during the
last week of Ramadan at the Al Faisaliah Tower Mall in Riyadh.
"A group of young Saudi women were walking within the mall. One of them, although draped in a black Abhaya (outer garment) was openly flaunting herself by spreading it open and walking around in a manner that is totally contrary to Islamic modesty.

She was also wearing a short dress inside that was revealing of
parts of her body which is considered aura for women. A Mutawwa (religious police) approached her and spoke to her and requested her to cover herself up properly and stop displaying herself in such a wanton and evil manner.

He spoke to her about death and asked her what would be her plight if death approached her now. How would she die and answer to Allah for what she was doing.

She was arrogant and took out her mobile phone from her handbag and offered it to him and said "Call your God and ask him to speak to me". The Mutawwa was shocked and amazed at this response from a Saudi Arabian Muslim woman. he simply uttered, "HasbunAllahu wa Nimal Wakeel" three times, said "Asthagfir Allah" and walked away.

The woman started to walk away too. In not even more than five minutes after this conversation she slipped on the marbled surface of the mall floor, and fell, passed excrement from her body, and died. Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi Rajioon! (Truly! To Allaah we belong and truly, to Him we shall return.)"

Subhan Allaah!

The story has been corroborated by the Security Guards who were present at the mall whom we spoke to in order to verify the incident.

wasalaamu `alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh,
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btw, my friend was at hajj about 2 months after this incident and said that she read the reports in the papers there too.

wa-salaam,
Ummkhubayb.


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09-04-2002 03:45 AM



ghazi
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Asalamulaikum,

Subhanallah, the real evil end to this women will be on qiyamah.


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09-04-2002 04:45 AM



Nour al Islam*
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Registered: Nov 2001
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Aslaamu'Aalikium Wa Rahamatuh Allah Wa Barakatuh.

Ya Subhanah Allah..a3oozo bil Allah min al shaytan al rajeem. That is what happens when we let the shaytan take hold of our life, and he makes the world look like all gold and glitter. But just before her death, she talks, and walks so irrogantly, A3oozo bil allah. That will be the biggest regret of her life. And she can't go back in time, to change herself. This reminds me of that Khutbah for Muhammed al shareef titled "Regret" where two muslims before they died, they kept singining, and the Shahadah couldn't be uttered from their mouthes.

"O you who believe! Do not follow Satan’s footsteps: if any will follow the footsteps of Satan, he will command what is shameful and wrong..." [Quran 24:21]

May Allah swt protect us from the whispers of Satan, and guide us ila tareeq al mostaqeem.

Jazakum Allahu khairn sister Umm.

Hayyakum Allah.


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The worth and value of a mujahed is in his heart and his will; there lies his real honor. Valor is the strength not of legs and arms, but of heart and soul; it consists not in the worth of our horse or our weapons, but in our own. He who falls obstinate in his courage, if he has fallen, he fights on his knees. He who relaxes none of his assurance, no matter how great the danger of imminent death; who, giving to his soul, still looks firmly and scornfully at his enemy - he is beaten not by wrong,he is killed, not conquered."

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09-04-2002 07:01 AM



ma145
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Jazak'Allah sis, my dad told me this too. certainly those who challenge Allah will be destroyed by a terrible torment!!!


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I shall turn my face away from a land which has
Made my tongue ineffective and locked up my heart,
A man’s clear resolution and common sense
Dictate that he turn away from the sun’s glare.

O BROTHERS!
The dream of disgrace has gone on long enough
Where, then, is the roar of lions?
The party of the small birds have become eagle-like
And we are under subjugation of slaves-
The subjugation of slaves out of submissiveness
And not as a result of military defeat.





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09-04-2002 11:59 PM




Tuesday, September 03, 2002
 
In the First Anniversary of the Blessed Attack - Part 1

Abu Dujanah
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In the First Anniversary of the Blessed Attack - Part 1
Assalamu 'alaykum,

I present here, a small present to all the Mujahideen, whom I ask Allah to protect, preserve and grant ultimate victory.

I present here, few words of the reviver of Jihaad, ash-Shaykh al-Imaam 'Abdullahi 'Azzam, rahimahullahu ta'ala.

I present these words, in the first anniversary of the blessed attacks against the head of kufr, America, hattamahallah bi aydi 'ibaadih. I present these words, only to give a reminder to the people of tawheed, and to the kaffarah that the youth of this ummah are still alive, and love of this religion circulates in their blood; and I'll try and post the first statement released by al-Mullah 'Umar, hafithahullahu ta'ala wa nasarah regarding this war that addresses these points.

Here goes:

Number One

http://www.aloswa.org/kalimat/kalima001.html

"Verily our words will remain dead.
Our young warriors like wax -- solid with no movement.
So that when we die for their sake,
They spring into life, and live amongst the living.

Every word that has lived
Has taken a human's living heart as an aliment
And so it lived amongst the living
For the living do not adopt the dead."

Number Two

http://www.aloswa.org/kalimat/kalima002.html

"Prayers always take into account
That the first generation that spreads the message (to the generation after)
Will be prayed upon with four takbeeraat (upon their death/martyrdom) in the counts of martyrs.
For the whole of the first generation is used up as fule for spreading the message,
And a provision to deliver the words
That do not live except by sacrifice of hearts and blood"

Statement Three

http://www.aloswa.org/kalimat/kalima003.html

"Few are those, who carry the principles. And a few of those few, are the ones who flee from the worldy life, to act upon these principles. And few of this elite group, are the ones who sacrifice their souls and blood in order to give victory to these principles. So they are, a few of the few of the few. [i.e. the cream, of the cream, of the cream]. It is not possile to reach glory except by traversing this path. And this path is the only one."

Statement Four

http://www.aloswa.org/kalimat/kalima004.html

"So oh brothers, do not think sacrifices go - like that - to whither.
And do not think that the blood of the innocent ones goes to dust. The blood of the innocent ones is valuable in the eyes of the Most Merciful. The Lord of glory, destroyed the entire earth one day, due to twelve individuals who entered the boat with Nooh 'alayhis-salaatu wa salam"

Statement Five

http://www.aloswa.org/kalimat/kalima005.html

"They want a religion that is flexible, in agreement with the whims of the Americans. They want a people who are open to all the American whims, and the whims of the Shayateen of man and Jinn. They want 'moderate' people. Those, who do not differ with the West in any opinion. And they lower their heads, to every order that comes to them. It is only fear that Islaam returns again, and now the plot has become large, and the entire world has gathered [against us]."

During that blessed hour, were 19 young men were selling their lives cheaply in the path of Allah, let us remind ourselves with the words which inspired many of them, we ask Allah to grant them al-Firdaws. We ask Allah to grant them al-Firdaws. We ask Allah to grant them al-Firdaws.

Wassalamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Your brother in Millat Ibraheem,

Abu Dujanah.


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Shaykh al-Islaam said: "The pillars of this religion are a Book that guides, and a sword that brings victory, and Allah is enough as a guider, and as a victory bringer"

Imaam Muhammed bin 'Abdulwahaab said: "Verily those tawagheet, whom people believe, that it is obligatory to obey besides Allah - they are all kufaar apostates from Islaam.

"How can you say no?! When they make halaal what Allah made haraam, and made haraam what Allah has made halaal, and they seek to corrupt the land with their words, and actions and support? And whoever argues for them, or is critical of the one who does takfeer of them, or claims that this act of theirs - although wrong - still doesn't take them out of Islaam to kufr, then the least that one can say of this arguer is that he is a faasiq, because the deen of Islaam cannot be upright except with by seeking innocence from those people, and doing takfeer of them". - ar-Rasaa`il ash-Shakhsiyyah, page 188.

Jihaad was recalled in the precence of Imaam Ahmad, so he wept and said: "There is no act of piety better than it".

Shaykh 'Abdullah 'Azzam said: "Indeed it is one death, so let it be in the path of Allah"

May Allah have mercy upon Imaam Ahl as-Sunnah, Ahmad bin Hanbal whom it was narrated said: "If you see people differing, then look for the people of thughoor (the frontlines), and see what they are upon. As Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, says: "And those who did Jihaad in Our way, then we will guide them to Our Path".

"This finger, that testifies to Allah's Oneness in prayer, refuses to write one letter affirming support to the rule of a taaghoot"- Sayyid Qutb, rahimahullah, infront of some judges at court.


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09-02-2002 02:24 AM



ghazi
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Asalamulaikum,

I find it increasingly hard brother now to support the 9/11 events. The evidence is all on the table that the Yahood hit the WTC and blamed it on Muslims. Also Shaykh OBL said he was not involved and the Taliban condemned it as well. This is has all been confirmed and has all been discussed before.

I do agree wholeheartedly that America deserved what came to her that day. But so did the people of Taif did deserve their punishment for stoning the best of creation, Muhammed SAW, but instead of letting them to be crushed in between two mountains our beloved Prophet SAW said no, so there children may become Muslim. In my opinion America deserves a whole lot of things , but that doesn't make it any more right according to Qu'ran and Sunnah.

So if brother you have the time, whenever you can, can you post the hadith or verses from the Qu'ran which support something like the 9/11? For me and for the benefit of all the Muslims here.


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Say (to the Rejecters): "My Lord is not uneasy because of you if ye call not on Him: But ye have indeed rejected (Him), and soon will come the inevitable (punishment)!"
Al-Furqan

Vol 4, Book 55. Prophets. Hadith 543.
Narrated By Abu Huraira : The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.



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09-02-2002 07:31 AM



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assalamu alaykum,
well, there used to be a fatwa by shaykh hammoud that supported the attacks.
the fatwa was on azzam but thats down. i had downloaded it but i lost it.
it was a very good fatwa because he brought 100% proof from quraan/sunnah.
for now, i have this.



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The Islamic Ruling With Regards to Killing Women, Children and the Elderly in War
Sheikh 'Abdullaah 'Azzaam
Fil-Jihaad - Adaab wa Ahkaam


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Islam does not (urge its followers to) kill [anyone amongst the Kufaar] except the fighters, and those who supply Mushrikeen and other enemies of Islam with money or advice, because the Qur'anic Verse says:


And fight in the Cause of Allah those who fight you...


Fighting is a two-sided process, two sides are involved, so whoever fights or joins the fight in any means/way is to be fought and slain, otherwise he, or she is to be spared.


That is why there is no need to kill women, because of their weakness, unless they fight. Children and monks are not to be killed intentionally , unless they mix with the Mushrikeen, and, [therefore], we are unable to attack the fighting Mushrikeen alone, in this case we fire at the Mushrikeen, but we do not aim at the weak (i.e. non-fighting women, monks, and children).


Abusing/slaying the children and the weak inherits hatred to the coming generations, and is narrated throughout history with tears and blood, and generation after generation would be told about this. And this is exactly what Islam is against.

Islam wants to bring people closer (to the Truth), it also seeks to make Allah (Ta'aala), His Messenger (salallaahu 'alayhee wa sallam) and His religion lovable to the people - but, on the other hand, it does not alter according to peoples whims, nor does it change its Path in order to please the people:


And if the Truth had been in accordance with their desires, verily, the heavens and the earth, and whosoever is therein would have been corrupted! [23:71]

Scholars have different opinions with regard to this issue (i.e. the slaying of women, children and the elderly in the situation of war).


- The first opinion:

Killing women and children is not allowed under any circumstances, even if the Kufaar use their women and children as human shields. And this is the madh-hab of Malik and Al Ouzaey. (This opinion is not well supported by evidences.)

- The Second opinion:

The weak (i.e. women, children and the elderly) are not to be aimed at, unless they fight, or mix with the fighters, in such a way as to make it impossible for the [Muslims] to fight without killing them. And this is the opinion of the Shafi'ee's and the Hanafis.


Al Mawurdee said (in Al Ahkaam As Sultaaniyah p41):


"Killing women and children in war is not allowed, as long as they do not fight, because of the Prophet's (salallaahu 'alayhee wa sallam) ban on killing them."

Al Sarkhasy said (in Al Mabsoot Vol, 10, p31):

"Setting their castles (i.e. the Kaafir's) on fire shall not be stopped [merely] because of the presence of women and children, it shall not be stopped either because of the presence of a Muslim prisoner of war - as long as [it is the] Mushrikeen [that] are aimed at, and targeted."

The elderly - who have a say in decision making - can be slain, because the Prophet (salallaahu 'alayhee wa sallam) agreed on Abu Amr Al Ash'aree's killing of Duraid As Sammah, who was over 100 years old. [The hadeeth is narrated in Bukhari and Muslim]

Blind, disabled and mentally-ill war prisoners are not to be killed, because only fighters are to be [intentionally] killed. There is nothing wrong with sending water on (i.e. flooding) a Kaafir's city or setting their [cities] on fire, or bombarding them with Al Minjaneek (Mangonel ballista, a war machine that is used to throw rocks), even if there are children, or Muslim individuals present...

The Scholars [of the Salaf] had different opinions regarding this matter, due to the way they understood some Ahadeeth, and the availability of these Ahadeeth to them.

The Prophet (salallaahu 'alayhee wa sallam) showed the reason behind forbidding the killing of women and children, when he passed by a slain woman (after one of the battles), he (salallaahu 'alayhee wa sallam) said:

"She was not (able) to fight. (i.e. she shouldn't have been killed because she was not able to fight.)" [Narrated by Ahmad and Abu Dawood]

Imam Malik used the following hadeeth as general evidence to the illegality of killing women and children; Ibn 'Umar (radiallaahu 'anhuma) said:

"A woman was found killed in one of the battles of the Prophet (salallaahu 'alayhee wa sallam), so the Prophet banned the killing of women and children." [Narrated by AlJama'ah (i.e. Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, At Tirmidhee) except for An Nasaa'ee, and Abu Dawood]

While the Shafi'ee's agreed that while, this is the general rule or guideline for war, there are special cases and situations, as is proven by the following hadeeth. As Sab Ibn Juthamah said:

"The Prophet (salallaahu 'alayhee wa sallam) was asked about attacking the Mushrikeen at night time, where women and children get hit (un-intentionally). He (salallaahu 'alayhee wa sallam) replied:

"They are from them. (i.e. the attack should not be stopped because of the presence of women and children.)" [Narrated by Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, At Tirmidhee etc.]

Another hadeeth supports this opinion; At Tirmidhee narrates:
"The Prophet (salallaahu 'alayhee wa sallam) used Minjaneek (Mangonel ballista) to bombard the people of At Taa'if."

(And it is known that the people of the city of At Taa'if had all their families with them inside their castles.)

As well, a third hadeeth supports this argument. Salmah Ibn Al Akwa said:

"We attacked Houzan (tribe) at night time with Abu Bakr As Siddiq, after the Prophet (salallaahu 'alayhee wa sallam) assigned him as the Ameer for this attack." [Narrated by Ahmad and Abu Dawood].

The above two attacks, i.e. that of At Taa'if and Houzan, were towards the end of the Prophet's (salallaahu 'alayhee wa sallam) life. (So it can not be said that this rule is invalid and was replaced by a different ruling, as some might argue).

Looking at the issue from a different angle, we see that stopping the Muslim army from fighting Mushrikeen when they have children with them; would put Muslims and their interests under danger and harm, especially in these days where fighting relies on artillery fire, aircrafts and tanks. For this would mean that the use of all these machine guns [and weaponry, etc.] would have to be avoided and stopped. (Which is non-sense).

The Scholars have unanimously agreed on the [unintentional] killing of a Muslim if he/she is taken [and used] as a human shield by the Kufaar, so why would they forbid fighting the Kufaar because they have their ( Kaafir) women and children with them?...

Is the sanctity of Mushrik women and children greater than that of Muslims?

Plus, the forbidding (of the of killing of women) is when a woman does not take part in the war, nor joins the fighting, nor sacrifices for her faith and ideology and [seeks to] die for them... As for now, the situation has changed, and women do not differ much - regarding this specific issue - from men.

Shaykhul Islam Ibn Taymeeyah says [in his Fatawa 28/537]:

"The Muslim Ummah has unanimously agreed that when the Kufaar take Muslims as human shields, and the Muslims fear (defeat) if they do not attack, then it becomes permissible to fire, but we aim at the Kufaar. Some scholars [have] said that it is [still] permissible to fire even if ceasing fire will not form any [kind of] danger (for the Muslims)."

Ibn Al Arabee said in Ahkaam al Qur'an 1/104:

"[Kaafir] Women shall not be slain unless they fight, because the Prophet (salallaahu 'alayhee wa sallam) forbade that, [But] that's[only] if they do not fight. If they do, they get slain."

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"By Allah! If the heavens were to meet the Earth, we will never accept the puppet government. Those who paid the price of victory with the blood of their martyrs, they are the most worthy to rule the land. As for all those sitting in the West, who neither did expend a single drop of blood for Allah's sake, nor did a drop of sweat trickle down their face for Allah's sake, whilst our people were being mercilessly slaughtered for centuries, what right do THEY have to come and rule Afghanistan?"
-Shaheed shaykh abdullah azzam



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09-02-2002 11:09 PM



Majid
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Assalam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu,

Here is the Shaikh Hamoud Fatwa:

In light of current events, I not only think it is appropriate, but obligatory upon us to convey to the Ummah, the Islamic Ruling of aiding the Taliban against the Judeo-Christian barbaric onslaught against Islam, in the name of "War Against Terrorism".

It is essential that we present the true Islamic position on current events, such that it will sufficiently drown out the cries of those Modernist, Secular "Muslims", striving to redefine the traditional Islamic beliefs and practices in their attempt to assimilate into the Western "civilisation".

As Allah spoke of His Messengers: "...Those who proclaim messages of Allah and fear Him. And do not fear anyone but Allah."

Indeed there have been many apologetic, and at times humiliating, declarations made by various Muslim organisation for the crime that they did not commit, without there ever having been any solid proof that Muslims were the perpetrators in the first instance! We have witnessed the numerous, respected personalities and scholars around the world who came out protesting, in sympathy for the 6 000 Americans who were tragically killed, so we request of them: Please make a statement or two with regards to the US sanctions against the 20 000 000 people of Iraaq, more than 1 200 000 of whom have been slaughtered since 1991 to the present day, with an average death toll of 6 000 per month. Please give a thought to the 650 Palestinian killed since the begining of 2nd Intifadha last year, including 15,000 injured. Please give your zakaah and donate your blood to your brothers and sisters who are being butchered in every corner of the globe.

Finally, please give us your thoughts on the current US aggression - supported by our Wulaatul-Umoor - against the Islamic Afghanistan, knowing that millions of innocent Afghanis are facing high risks, in addition to those several million fleeing as refugees, as the harsh winter approaches. We watch, with the rest of the world, the bombing of innocent civilians and the mass murder of 100s of Afghanis using what the Americans call 'smart bombs', yet no one would dare call it terrorism.

It is our duty, at the very least, to inform the Muslims that it is absolutely forbidden to aid these Kuffaar, whether verbally, physically, morally or financially, against our brothers, the Taliban, in the land of Iman - Afghanistan. MOREOVER, AIDING THE MUSHRIKEEN IN THEIR ATTACKS IN AFGHANISTAN IN ANY FORM, WITH THE INTENTION TO AID DEMOCRACY, OR TO DEFEAT THE SHAREE'AH OF ISLAM - IS APOSTACY FROM ISLAM BY CONSENSUS. So let there be no "Muslim" in the UK or the US or elsewhere, that supports these attacks against Afghanistan, and even if there exists a Muslim actively supporting these attacks against Afghanistan, may he be hated by the Muslim community, not only in the West, but the rest of the World.

The following are the two fatawas concerning the recent events. One by Sheikh Ibn Jibreen from the major scholars of the Muslim world who needs no introduction to most of you. The other by Sh Humood bin 'Uqlaa ash-Shu'aibi, another scholar from the major scholars, indeed scholar of the scholars such as, Sheikh Ibn Uthaimeen (for a short while), Sheikh Abdul-Aziz Abdullah Aal-Ash-Sheikh, Dr. Abdullah Ibn Abdul-Muhsin at-Turki, Dr. Abdullah Ibn Muhammad bin Ibraahim Aal-ash-Sheikh, Sh Saalih bin Fawzan al-Fawzan, Sh Abdur-Rahmaan bin Saalih al-Jabr, Sh Abdur-Rahmaan Bin Sulaiman al-JaarAllah, Sh Abdur-Rahmaan bin Abdul-Aziz al-Killiyah, Sh Abdur-Rahmaan bin Ghaith, Sh Abdullah al-Ghunaiman and last but not least, Sh Salmaan bin Fahd al-Awdah - people of knowledge as great as these are the likes of his students.

It might appear to some that Sheikh Humood's fatwa is justifying the September the 11th incident, but I do not think so. I think he is merely trying to refute the apologetic Muslims who - in their bid to appease the Americans - made blanket statements, such as "it is completely forbidden to kill innocent women and children, under all circumstances, in absolute terms", and Allah knows best. As we should know that such statements are incorrect, since there is consensus of the Fuqahaa with regards to permissibility of attacking Muslim women and children, IF they are used as human shields, so what about Kuffar? And why should the Muslims be ashamed of speaking the truth about their religion, specially when Madeleine Albright on CBS's 60 Minutes, is asked by correspondent Lesley Stahl, if the death of these 600,000 Iraqi children was "worth it.", and Albright replies: "...we think the price is worth it." - and not ashamed of saying that?

Finally, I remind myself and you of the obligatory and unceasing duty of Hijrah, and I pray that Allah does not make us like those about whom He said: "...And when the angels take the souls of those who were wronging themselves, [and ask]: What were you in?. They said: We were weak and oppressed in the land. They [angels] said: Wasn't Allah's earth vast enough that you could have migrated there in? Then those people, their abode will be Jahannam, what an evil abode!"

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SHEIKH IBN JIBREEN'S FATWA ON AIDING THE TALIBAAN
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In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy

The eminent Sheikh al-Allaamah, ‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Abdur-Rahmaan ibn Jibreen, may Allah bless you.

Question: It is not hidden from you what has befallen our brothers in Afghanistan, from the hardships of the enemies of Allah besieging them, and constrained livelihood, and lack of helpers and aides, and by being fiercely attacked from all directions by the enemies of Islam upon this state [The Taliban State of Afghanistan]. In spite of it all, [the government] does not cease to be firm in establishing the laws of Allah on the earth of Allah, and thus they are in need of help and to be allied with in their trial. Therefore, what is the ruling regarding aiding this movement with wealth, persons and supplications? What are your directions for the students of knowledge and the competent, skilful people? May Allah reward you with good.

Response:

Praise be to Allah and that suffices, and peace be upon His chosen slaves.

To proceed: When the Muslims throughout the world come to know that a group from their brothers have been oppressed and harmed, it becomes obligatory upon them to aid them and to strive to help them with whatever they can from the wealth, persons, opinions and statements. [Especially] when we know of the State of Taliban in Afghanistan that it rules with the Laws of Allah, establishes the Islamic education [system], prevents the means to Shirk, demolishes worshipped objects and idols, exhibits the manifestation of Islam by announcing the call for prayers, establishes the Friday [prayers] and congregational [prayers], prohibits sins and the forbidden acts, as indeed these are all apparent signs of their good intentions and sound faith. And since the Kafir states, such as the Christian, the Jews, the Communists and the Atheists, all of them, are against the correct [version of] Islam, and similarly the Kafir innovators, for verily it is obligatory upon the Muslims to help their brothers in this [Taliban] State of Muslims, and to endeavour to repel the plots of their enemies, those who seek to cripple the Muslims’ movement and to exterminate them. For Allah the Exalted has said:

“And co-operate upon righteousness and piety”,

and in the Hadeeth:

“Make Jihaad against the Mushrikeen with your wealth, your persons and your tongues”.

The Muslims should aid their brothers with wealth and men, and should increase in their supplications for them, for victory and dominion, as Allah is the one who responds to calls of those who supplicate, and indeed He is All-Hearing and Near.

Stated and Written by
'Abdullaah ibn 'Abdur-Rahmaan al-Jibreen
The retired member of al-Ifta.

And may the Salaah and Salaam be upon Muhammad, and his followers and companions.

[Signed]

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SHEIKH HUMOOD BIN UQLA ASH-SHU'AIBI'S FATWA ON THE RECENT EVENTS
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Q: To proceed, Sheikh Hamood ibn 'Abdullaah ash-Shu'aybee, there have been a lot of talks on what happened in America some supporting and blessing others opposing and condemning it. What is the correct stand in these two opinions according to your view? We similarly hope you will go into details in the issue because of the ambiguities in it.

A: Praise is due to Allah Lord of the Worlds, may the Salaat and Salaam be with the unlettered Prophet, his family, his companions and all who live according to his path till the Day of Judgment.

Before answering the question we should know that whatever decision the non- Muslim state, America, takes -especially critical decisions which involve war - it is taken based on opinion poll and/or voting within the house of representatives and senate, which represent directly, the exact opinion of the people they represent - the people of America - through their representatives in the Parliament. Based on this, any American who voted for war is a like a fighter, or at least a supporter, as we will explain later.

Let it also be understood that the guide and final decision on the interactions of Muslims with the Unbelievers are the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Prophet may the Salat and Salam be with him; And not politics or personal benefits. And the Qur'an has explicitly explained this issue and clarified it because of its importance and danger. When we refer to the Qur'an we realize that it has left no one in doubt nor did it leave any gay areas on this issue.

And all the various verses which discuss this issue emphasize two things, namely Al-Walaa' (love and alliance) and Al-Baraa'ah (hate and opposition), which confirms the fact that Al-Walaa' and Al-Baraa'ah are strong pillars in the Islamic Shari'ah, an issue on which the scholars - both the past and contemporary - have consensus. Allah says warning against Loving the unbelievers, taking sides with them and leaning towards them:

"O believers! Take not Jews and Christians as your (protecting) friends, they are allies of one another. Whosoever allies with them, amongst you, then he is one of them..."

"O Believers! Do not take My enemy and your enemy, as friends, giving them your affection..."

And Allah said: "O Believers! Take not private friends from among your enemies expressing open love to them.."

And He said on the necessity of rejecting the unbelievers "certainly you had an excellent example in Ibrahim and those with him, when they said to their people we are free from you and from whatever ye worship other than Allah, we have rejected you hostility has stated between us and you till the Day of Judgment..." And the Exalted said: "Never will you find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendships with those oppose Allah and His messenger even though they were their parents or their sons.."

And the Exalted and praised said: "Say: if your parents, your children, your brothers, your wives, your kindred, the weath you have acquired, the commerce in which you fear decline, or the dwellins you are pleased with, are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger and striving hard and fighting in His cause, then wait until Allah brings His Decision. And Allah guides not the Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient)"

These verses and tens of others are clear statements on the obligation and necessity of opposing unbelievers and hating them, as well as rejecting them. And I don't think any person with the slightest level of knowledge is ignorant of this.

Having said this, you should know that America is a Kufr State that is totally against Islam and Muslims. In fact it has reached the peak of that arrogance in the form of open attacks on several Muslim Nations as it did in Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Philistine, Libya and others, where it - America - allied with the forces of Kufr such as Britain, Russia and others in attacking and trying to exterminate them. Similarly, America expelled the Palestinians from their homes and housed the 'brothers of Pigs and Apes' in them; and stood firmly in support of the criminal Zionist State of the Jews, giving them all they need in the form of wealth, weapons and training. How then can America after all these things not be considered an enemy of the Muslim Nations and at war with them?

But, because they have reached the peak of tyranny and arrogance; because they have seen the collapse of the Soviet Union in the hands of the Muslims in Afghanistan, they thought that they are the Ultimate Power above which there is no power. Unfortunately, they forgot that Allah, the Exalted and Mighty, is Stronger than them and can humble and destroy them.

On the other hand, it is unfortunate and disturbing to see that a lot of fellow scholars have preferred the side of mercy and emotion and forgotten or ignored what that Kufr Nation (America) is doing such as killing, destroying and spoiling most of the Muslim Lands, and showing no mercy or kindness in that.

Consequently, I find it incumbent upon me to refute some false claims and misconceptions that some fellow scholars are relying upon in trying to support their positions.

MISCONCEPTION No. 1

One of them is what I heard from some of them, "that we have agreements and pacts between us and America and hence it is binding on us to fulfil them."

My response to this is from two points of view:

1. The person saying this has already concluded that it is Muslims who committed the act, and up to now, no proof of law has been established to the effect that Muslims are behind the attack, or that they participated in it, in which case it may be said that they have broken the covenant. So, since, it is yet to be established that we committed the act, nor that we did partake in its execution, how then can it be said that we have broken the 'Pact'?

Of course expressing our hatred for those unbelievers and rejecting them has nothing to do with breaking covenants or pacts. It is just something Allah has compelled upon us in clear texts of His Glorious Book.

2. Even if we accept that there are covenants and pacts between Muslims and America, why then did America not fulfill its side of the agreement?

Why has it not stopped its aggression and harming a lot of Muslims? Is it not an established fact that: all pacts are binding on both parties; and that whenever they do not fulfill their roles, the pact becomes invalid and the covenant broken? Allah the Exalted said:

"But if they break their covenants after its solemnizing it, and attack your religion, then, fight ye the leaders of Kufr, for they (deserve) no covenant..."


MISCONCEPTION No. 2

They say that: "among the victims were some, innocent and sinless"

Response to this is from several points of view:

1. Sa'ab bin Jathamah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported from that the Prophet was asked about the people in the homes of Mushrikun (Polytheist) when they are attacked at night and their women and children are affected, he said: "they are part of them".

So, this Hadith shows that women, children and all those the killing of whom is forbidden, when they are separate, it is permissible to kill them when they are mixed up with the fighters and it is not possible to separate. This is because they had asked the Prophet about the case which is "attacking at night", in which case it is not possible to differentiate, and he permitted them because "things may be allowed when they occur along the way but be forbidden when separate".

2. Also, Muslim commanders have always used Catapult when fighting the Kuffar (a kind of weapon that was used in the past when trying to break into an enemy camp which is fully fortressed - it destroys whatever it meets by its weight, i.e. something like a catapult - translator), and it is obvious that a Catapult when applied in a war does not differentiate between a fighter and others, hence it may afflict some those so-called 'innocent souls', but that not withstanding this is an established practice among Muslims in their wars.

Ibn Qudamah may Allah have mercy on him, said: "And it is permissible to use Catapult because the Prophet may the Salaat and Salaam be with him used Catapult on the people of Ta'if; and Amr bin al-As did the same to the people of Alexandria (Al-Mughniy, vol. 10, p503).

And Ibn al-Qasim said "it is permissible to use Catapult against Kuffar even if children, women and old men and monks are killed inadvertently, because 'Nikayah' (doing what will weaken the enemy) is allowed according to the consensus of Ulama. Ibn Rushd said: "'Nikayah' is permissible according to Ijama' and on any type of polytheists" (Al-Hashiyah ala' Ar-Raudh, vol. 4, p 271)

Here, there is a question we will like to ask those who use the word "Terrorism" on what happened in America, and I want their reply.

The question is: When America attacked a Pharmaceutical firm in Sudan, using its planes and bombs, destroying it and killing everybody in it, staff and laborers, what was this called? Shouldn't the action of America in the Sudanese firm be considered as an act of terrorism? Else how can what those people did in America be treatest as an act of terrorism? Why is everybody condemning and rejecting what was done to those buildings in America and yet we did not hear any such condemnations on the destruction caused by America in the Sudanese firm?

I certainly don't see any difference between the two acts, except that the money that was used in building the firm is Muslims' and the workers and staff killed by destroying the firm were Muslims; Whereas, the buildings destroyed by those hijackers was built with the money of non-Muslims and the victims of the explosion were non-Muslims.

So, is this the difference that made some fellow brothers to call what happened in America 'Terrorism'!! While at the same time they neither condemned what happened in Sudan, nor called it TERRORISM?

Similarly, what happened to the Libyans of deliberate and imposed 'starvation'; 'starvation' of the Iraqis plus almost daily attacks; the sanctions and attacks launched against Afghanistan, a Muslim Nation: all these, why are they not termed "terrorism"? What else can we term them if not terrorism?

In addition, we should ask those people, what do you mean by "innocent and sinless"?

Those are one of three categories/groups:

The first category:

They may be among those who neither fought, nor supported their country by their persons, wealth or opinion and suggestions or anything else. It is not permissible to kill this category, on condition that they can be differentiated from the rest, but if they are mixed up such that they can't be separated, then it is allowed to kill them along with the others and by extension, like old men, women, children, the sick and the disabled or devoted monks.

Ibn Qudamah said: "It is allowed to kill women and children in night attacks and in demolished buildings or ditches, so far as the intention is not to kill them in particular; And it is allowed to kill their (the enemies') animals as a means for killing and subduing them; there is no difference of opinion on this." (Al-Mughniy, with the Sharh -commentary, 10/503)

Similarly he said: "It is permissible to attack enemies at night. Ahmad bin Hanbal said: 'there is no problem with night attacks, were the Romans not attacked at night?' And he said: 'we don't know anybody who disliked night attacks" (Al-Mughniy 10/503)

The second category: Or, they (the victims) may be part of those who did not participate directly in the war but helped with their wealth or opinions, these cannot be called "innocent", nay they are among the fighters and part of the strength of the enemy.

Ibn Abdil Barr may Allah has mercy on him, said in Al-Istizkar: "There is no dispute among the scholars that whoever fights among women or old men, killing him is allowed, similarly, any child capable of fighting , if he does may be killed." (Al-Istizkar vol. 14, p 74). Similarly, Ibn Qudamah reported the Ijamaa' on killing women, children and old men if they help their people; Ibn Abdil Barr said: "They have a concensus on the fact that the Prophet killed Duraid bin on the Day of the Battle of Hunayn because he was an experienced in war and contributed his opinions. Thus whoever is like that among old men deserves to be killed according to all (scholars). (At-Tamheed, vol. 16 p 142)

And an-Nawawi, may Allah have mercy on him related the Ijama' (in Sharh Muslim in "the Book of Jihad") that elderly men among the non-Muslims should be killed if they have knowledge of war strategies.

Ibn Qasim also quoted in Al-Hashiyat that: "they had Ijmaa' that the ruling concerning any strategist is that of any fighter in Jihad. This Ijmaa' was reported from Ibn Taimiyyah. Similarly, he related from Ibn Taimiyyah that "those who assist a group and their helpers are (to be considered) part of them, in whatever is for or against them"

The third Category:

Or they may be Muslims, and it is not permissible for these to be killed separately; But when they are mixed up with others in such a way that they have to be killed with them, then it is allowed, and these is the case known as 'Mas'alatut Tatarrus' (when non-Muslims hold Muslims as shield against attack), which was discussed earlier.

Thus, what many are babbling and repeating on the case of the "innocent victims", is nothing but the effect of the West and its media, to the extent that many an unwary person repeats the words and expressions of our enemies, which are in direct contradiction with the expressions of Shari'ah.

Let us not, also, forget that it is permissible for us to treat non-Muslims similar to the way they treated us; and in this there is a reply and clear proof to all those who repeat the words "innocent victims", because Allah the Exalted has made that. Among the texts on that:

"Thus, if you retaliate, retaliate with what equals the aggression afflicted upon you" and He said:

"...and those whom, when an aggression afflicts them, they revenge, but the reward of an evil is an evil equal to it".

Also among the sayings of scholars on the permissibility of taking revenge:

Ibn Taimiyyah said: "it is their right to mutilate. So it is their right to do it in revenge and payback in the same coins, OR they may waive it, but patience is better. This is in a case where the mutilation does not lead to a gain in the Jihad, and it is not for an equal treatment from them (the enemies); But when Mutilating them will lead to their accepting the faith or warn them against another aggression, then, it is - in this case - part of recommended Jihad and retribution." (This was quoted by Ibn Muflih in Alfuru' vol.6 p.218)

Else, whoever says that there are "innocent victims" without any differentiation between their categories, must accept that he is accusing the Prophet and the Companions and those after them that they killed "innocent victims", according to them! Because the Prophet used Catapult in his war against Ta'if, and it is the nature of Catapult that it does not differentiate.

Similarly, the Prophet (saw) killed all whom those who had attained puberty among the Jews of Bani Quraidah without differentiating between them.

Ibn Hazm, commenting on the Hadith that "Banu Quraidah were paraded before the Prophet, and he ordered the killing of all those who had attained puberty", said: "this is a general ruling from the Prophet, since he did not leave out an old man, a merchant, a farmer or any other person; this was related from him with genuine Ijmaa' (Al-Muhallaa vol. 6 p. 299)

Ibn al-Qayyim said in 'Zaadul Ma'aad': "it is part of his guidance (i.e. the Prophet's) that whenever he made a pact with some people and they broke the covenant, or some of them broke the agreement, and the rest supported them on that , and accepted it; he fights all of them and considers all as having broken the covenant. As he did to Banu Quraizah and Banun Nadheer and Banu Qainuqa', and as he treated the people of Mecca. So this is Sunnah (method or approach to those who betray their covenants.

Similarly, he said: "Ibn Taimiyyah has certainly ruled that the Christians of Mashriq should be fought when they assisted the enemies of the Muslims against them, and helped them with their wealth and weapons, despite the fact that they did not did not fight us. He considered them to have broken the covenant as Quraish did during the time of the Prophet by helping Banu Bakr bin Wa'il in fighting those in alliance with the prophet"

In conclusion, we all know that the non Muslim west, especially America will definitely seize this opportunity and utilize that in its favor and through fresh injustice to the Muslims in Afghanistan and Palestine, Chechnya and other areas, whoever the perpetrators may be. And they will try to eradicate Jihad and those who engage in it and it will never succeed; and they will do that in the name of fighting Terrorism; and they will go ahead and fight our brothers in faith, in the Taliban ruled, Muslim Nation of Afghanistan, the only nation that has given a cover for genuine Mujahiddin and assists them at a time when everybody has forsaken them, and who never bowed down to the Non-Muslim Western nations.

Thus, it is compulsory to assist this Islamic Nation in Jihad, with whatever we can Allah the Exalted says:

"The Believers, men and women, are helpers of one another"

And He said "Help each other in righteousness and obedience"

Thus, it is compulsory to assist them with wealth and persons and opinions and advices and through the Media by defending them and their honor and their public image; and through prayers for them that they vanquish the enemy and have steadfastness.

And like we said, it is compulsory upon all Muslims to help the Taliban Government it is also equally compulsory upon the Muslim Governments especially the neighboring countries to assist them against the Kufr of the West.

And let those know that that failing to assist Taliban that is being fought for its religion and because of the help it gives to Mujahideen and, assisting the kuffar against them is the kind of friendship and support of the kuffar that Allaah warned against when He said:

"Believers, take not my enemy and your enemy as friends in whom you put love"

And He said "Believers take not my enemy and yours as Protecting friends."

Certainly it will go down in history that these countries betrayed their brothers and it will remain as a kind of bad record on them and their people that will remain forever!!

Similarly let those neighboring and nearby countries be ware that if they refuse to help the brothers and allowed the enemy to attack them, that Allah may face them with His Natural Disasters and terrible situations as a punishment and chastisement on them. The Prophet said a Muslim is a brother of a Muslim, he does not forsake or betray him.. and he also said in a Hadith Qudsi: "Allah said "Whoever fights my Friend should get ready for war with Me And He said "Whoever allowed a Muslim to be humiliated while he could assist him, Allah will humiliate him in front of the entire creation on the Day of Judgment (reported by Ahmad). And we wish to remind the Pakistan Government that allowing the Americans, the enemies of Muslims, to use their land is not informed by wisdom nor borne out of experience politics at all because it will lead to giving the opportunity for America to discover their secrets of their country and know the location of its nuclear power with all precision and something that has terrified the West, and that may lead to the Americans giving the Jews the chance to attack the Nuclear Plants in Pakistan as they did those of Iraq earlier. And how come does Pakistan trust America is enemy that has been warning and warning them! I really think that the reasonable personalities in Pakistan will not allow it, not to mention their Good Muslims will ever accept this nor will they just fold their arms and watch surrender to their enemies of yesterday.

We pray to Allah that He helps His Religion and raises His Word and exalts Islam and the Muslims and the Mujahideen and to destroy America and its followers and those who assist them. Verily He has that Power and is Able to do so.

Wa-sallaahu wa-sallam 'alaa Muhammad wa aalihi wa sahbihi was-sallam.

http://www.d1d.net/1/seid/sahwah/hmood/h40.htm


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ghazi
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Asalamulaikum,

quote:
Blind, disabled and mentally-ill war prisoners are not to be killed, because only fighters are to be [intentionally] killed. There is nothing wrong with sending water on (i.e. flooding) a Kaafir's city or setting their [cities] on fire, or bombarding them with Al Minjaneek (Mangonel ballista, a war machine that is used to throw rocks), even if there are children, or Muslim individuals present...


I think this explains it clearly. Jazakallah Khairan.


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Vol 4, Book 55. Prophets. Hadith 543.
Narrated By Abu Huraira : The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.



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As'salaamu'Alikium,

"Blessed Attack"? How could it be blessed when innocent people died? And among them were Muslims as well. I don't know..just calling it "Blessed" rubs off. My opinion - Wa'Allahu Aa'lam.


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Assalamu 'alaykum,

Okay, SoftHeart and Ghazi, and anyone else who differs with what I said: are you prepared to discuss this issue from A to Z, or are you going to post a critical comment and then walk away? I'm fed up of people posting all sorts of garbage on this issue, and when challenged, stand unable to bring proofs or evidences.

Are you up for a discussion? If you're not, don't post. Simple. Please.

- Abu Dujanah.


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Shaykh al-Islaam said: "The pillars of this religion are a Book that guides, and a sword that brings victory, and Allah is enough as a guider, and as a victory bringer"

Imaam Muhammed bin 'Abdulwahaab said: "Verily those tawagheet, whom people believe, that it is obligatory to obey besides Allah - they are all kufaar apostates from Islaam.

"How can you say no?! When they make halaal what Allah made haraam, and made haraam what Allah has made halaal, and they seek to corrupt the land with their words, and actions and support? And whoever argues for them, or is critical of the one who does takfeer of them, or claims that this act of theirs - although wrong - still doesn't take them out of Islaam to kufr, then the least that one can say of this arguer is that he is a faasiq, because the deen of Islaam cannot be upright except with by seeking innocence from those people, and doing takfeer of them". - ar-Rasaa`il ash-Shakhsiyyah, page 188.

Jihaad was recalled in the precence of Imaam Ahmad, so he wept and said: "There is no act of piety better than it".

Shaykh 'Abdullah 'Azzam said: "Indeed it is one death, so let it be in the path of Allah"

May Allah have mercy upon Imaam Ahl as-Sunnah, Ahmad bin Hanbal whom it was narrated said: "If you see people differing, then look for the people of thughoor (the frontlines), and see what they are upon. As Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, says: "And those who did Jihaad in Our way, then we will guide them to Our Path".

"This finger, that testifies to Allah's Oneness in prayer, refuses to write one letter affirming support to the rule of a taaghoot"- Sayyid Qutb, rahimahullah, infront of some judges at court.



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Assalaamu Alaykum

It was a federal building not a kindergarten!

It provided funds to the Israelis, if you ask why would the Jews plan this if it provided them funds, America was slipping into major recession and they needed this to control the oil fields in Iraq and run pipes through Afghanistan to get back on their feet.

If it was Muslims who flew the plans we stand up for them, even if it wasen't we should still say that it was Muslims to rub the salt into the wounds of the enemy, like they've been doing to our brothers and sisters for years.


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09-03-2002 09:18 PM



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As'salaamu'Alikium,

Whoa akhi..I don't mean to start an argument if that was the case I wouldn't have posted. My comments weren't meant to critcisize what you said, just a mere observance..and I'll leave my comments at that.

I apologize if I offended.

Wa'alikium As'salaam.


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09-03-2002 09:31 PM



Majid
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Assalam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu,

quote:
"Blessed Attack"? How could it be blessed when innocent people died? And among them were Muslims as well. I don't know..just calling it "Blessed" rubs off. My opinion - Wa'Allahu Aa'lam.


Brother, it was just her opinion, and maybe if you feel it goes against Islam, could correct it, and show your proof on why you feel it is "blessed", or why you feel it should be called "blessed", that way everyone learns what is right, when you discuss with proof.



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Internet Mugahideen
Bismillah

salamu alaikum

Well I honestly think and this is only my opinion that there are too many internet mugahideen. All we hear is that Shaikh Azzam [rahimahullah] the Mugahid said such and such but what I dont understand is why are you on this board?

Why arent you in the battle fields? What are you doing posting all these things and sitting in front of a computer. Most of these so called internet mugahideen are studying in kuffar schools and trying to get some type of degree. To get a stamp of approval from the tawgheet lands so they can reside in the west.

Really these internet mugahideen are a disgrace to all our fallen brothers and sisters who fight for their deen in their occupied lands. I wish every brother and sister who have pictures of weapons on their avatar learn to use them instead of displaying them in pictures. Those pictures dont protect the blood of the muslims nor does it protect their honor or deen. Take those pictures down and goto the lands of the muslims and remove the oppression of the kuffar occupation.

What is even worse are those so called internet mugahideen who are from muslim lands who make hijrah from the lands of the muslims to the lands of the disbelievers and then they want to spearhead the call to gihad.

In my eyes these people are people of nifaaq. I would not take a harf from them and I would suspect them of being agent provacateurs. These people deserve no respect. How can they call the people to gihad while living in the west. They dont even recruit people like Sheikh Azzam used to do. They spend all their time doing nothing but posting things. They should fear Allah!

I advise all those who exert their time in matters like this without going to the lands of the muslims to remove the oppression to repent. NO matter how much you scream gihad and remove the tawagheet from the muslims lands your word mean nothing. Where is the action? where is the loss of limbs?

I remember a beautiful poem I once heard about a person who had some real iman and was a serious mugahid not like these internet mugahideen! He said, "Islam is like a tree that flourishes off the blood of martyrs, indeed Islam shall return and take over the whole world. We believe that establishing an islamic state is a lofty price and even if the price is our lives it is worth it and that is because Islaam is a tree that flourishes off the blood of matrys, even if the kuffar dont like, even if husni mubarak likes it or dont like it even if russia dont like it, for verily Islam shall return and take over the whole world."

He was a mugahid not like these internet mugahid! May guide those internet mugahideen or humiliate those internet mugahideen. They are cowards real cowards. As I stated before this is my opinion. Your thoughts?



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quote:
Originally posted by Abu Dujanah
Assalamu 'alaykum,

Okay, SoftHeart and Ghazi, and anyone else who differs with what I said: are you prepared to discuss this issue from A to Z, or are you going to post a critical comment and then walk away? I'm fed up of people posting all sorts of garbage on this issue, and when challenged, stand unable to bring proofs or evidences.

Are you up for a discussion? If you're not, don't post. Simple. Please.

- Abu Dujanah.


Asalamulaikum,

Brother you must have not read my post, I asked for someone to provide evidences from Quran and Sunnah to support it. And a brother did, and now I know it is lawful. If you post something and are harsh to a fellow Muslim asking for someone to provide evidence from Quran and Sunnah or provide a Fatwa from those two sources of truth, then you are at fault. As a Muslim you should follow only Allah SWT's book and the hadith from Rasoolullah SAW, none of us here are obliged to follow Shaykh Osama Bin Laden or anyone else, but as long as they follow Quran and Sunnah i'am compelled to support them. So that's why I asked for evidence! Inshallah, I hope you now do not take it the wrong way.


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Al-Furqan

Vol 4, Book 55. Prophets. Hadith 543.
Narrated By Abu Huraira : The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.


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09-03-2002 11:34 PM



Abu Dujanah
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Assalamu 'alaykum,

Mugahideen, its obvious you posted that in reference to me. As for me, I wont defend myself, as I don't think there is a need at all. "Verily Allah defends those who believe".

As for "what are you doing posting things", I mean, bro, if you can't do it, at least arouse people on it, this is part-and-parcel from the obligation: "And arouse the beleivers on fighting". I mean, who will be there to show the message of those brothers, who are doing that noble obligation. Go say that to www.alemarh.com, www.jehad.net, www.azzam.com, an-Nidaa`, www.markazdawa.org, www.almuqatila.org, www.qoqaz.com, and the dozens of other websites.

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SoftHeart: Okay no problem. My apologies for any rudeness.

Ghazi: Okay, alhamdulilah. May Allah guide me and you to that which is more correct. To be honest, I did read your comment at first properly, and I was wrong in the way I responded because I somehow put you and SoftHeart together as one. My apologies then bro, I ask Allah to forgive me. (Its just, to be honest, I mean, this discussion keeps going on and on and on, so I'm fed up of people arguing about it. . . zzzzzzz . . . and most of the time I've seen discussions on are just weak you know). Anyway, seriously I apologise to you, and to SoftHeart for any offences. I know I was harsh.

Wassalamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Abu Dujanah.


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Shaykh al-Islaam said: "The pillars of this religion are a Book that guides, and a sword that brings victory, and Allah is enough as a guider, and as a victory bringer"

Imaam Muhammed bin 'Abdulwahaab said: "Verily those tawagheet, whom people believe, that it is obligatory to obey besides Allah - they are all kufaar apostates from Islaam.

"How can you say no?! When they make halaal what Allah made haraam, and made haraam what Allah has made halaal, and they seek to corrupt the land with their words, and actions and support? And whoever argues for them, or is critical of the one who does takfeer of them, or claims that this act of theirs - although wrong - still doesn't take them out of Islaam to kufr, then the least that one can say of this arguer is that he is a faasiq, because the deen of Islaam cannot be upright except with by seeking innocence from those people, and doing takfeer of them". - ar-Rasaa`il ash-Shakhsiyyah, page 188.

Jihaad was recalled in the precence of Imaam Ahmad, so he wept and said: "There is no act of piety better than it".

Shaykh 'Abdullah 'Azzam said: "Indeed it is one death, so let it be in the path of Allah"

May Allah have mercy upon Imaam Ahl as-Sunnah, Ahmad bin Hanbal whom it was narrated said: "If you see people differing, then look for the people of thughoor (the frontlines), and see what they are upon. As Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, says: "And those who did Jihaad in Our way, then we will guide them to Our Path".

"This finger, that testifies to Allah's Oneness in prayer, refuses to write one letter affirming support to the rule of a taaghoot"- Sayyid Qutb, rahimahullah, infront of some judges at court.



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Sunday, September 01, 2002
 
i feel like FIGHTING!!!

alameerah
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i feel like FIGHTING!!!
LETS KILL!!! J/K! But these kafir need some time 2 think about what they SAY! like those green football ppl!Its damn nons sence!

W/salam


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Majid
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I doubt them green football people would ever come out for a fight, they just talk, with no action, many of these Kuffar are very fearful. And they aren't even a bunch who are worth the fighting.

Just leave them to their pathetic comments.

La Kum Di Na Kum WaLiya Deen.



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yea but it really ticks me off May Allah curse them!! Ameen Thuma Ameen!


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09-01-2002 07:51 PM



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Assalam u 3alaikum wr wb

La ya ukhtee its not good to curse them (tho ive said that a few times but i realize we should not curse any1 May Allah swt forgive me Ameen!)

instead we can ask Allah 3azza wa jal to give them Hidaaya Ameeen

i l ove you ya ukht Ameera

W aiahaka,


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So Terror is an obligation in the creed of Allaah SWT"

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QalbSaboor
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Assalamu alaikum
case in point-when they see you are busy worrying about what they say, they will surely catch you off guard and do something.

leave them...Allah will take care of those who oppress...surely, surely He SWT will not leave them.

however, it is our duty also to take the correct course in not worrying about what they say...it will take the time and energy that we should be concentrating on our Ibadah and the spread of our deen.

fi amanillah


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"Account yourselves before you are brought to account and weigh your actions before they are weighed for/against you." Omar ibn Al Khattab RA

"When people become stingy towards the dinar and the dirham,
deal in fine things, and engage themselves in agricultural activities,
forsaking Jihaad in the Way of Allaah, Allaah will send down on
them a calamity that will not be dispelled away from them
until they return to their Religion."
(Ahmad and Abu Dawud; Ibn
Al-Qattaan classifies it as Saheeh)

You only live this life once...you better make it count twice.

ok ok people MTI STANDS FOR MADRASA_TUL_ILM...the private school i attended.






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