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Saturday, October 05, 2002
 
aleem
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Did sheikh Ibn Baaz give a fatwa allowing US troops to be present in Saudi Arabia
I have heard from some sisters from the salaf that sheikh ibn baaz gave a fatwa allowing US troops to be present in the kingdom. They tried to justify this fatwa as being correct but I disageed with them. Can anyone tell me if the sheikh really did give such a fatwa.



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10-05-2002 06:07 PM



SasJamal
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Yes he did, but not like many people claim that he holds it to be permissable unrestrictedly.

First of All, he was decieved by the Government. They told him a few number would be there, and that they would leave immediately.

Secondly, the Government told him that it was Needed and Vital for the Protection of the State itself (i.e many lives would be killed, if the kuffar did not protect KSA)

So, his opinion was based on the fact, that in times of necessity can we seek the Help of the Kuffar, or can we do the Lesser of 2 Evils (letting the Kuffar in was Evil, but losing the lives of many people was more Evil) (even though it is still Haram) Like sometimes we are permitted to do what is Haram to protect something which has a bigger Benefit in Islaam.

So he based his opinion on this, the fact he felt it would be a greater evil for Saddam Hussein to Attack KSA, since the KSA was not able to defned itself proerly.

The Fatwa was still in correct, most if not all of the other Scholars condemmed the Fatwa (those who openly claim to be Salafi, as well as those who do not) such as Sheikh Ibn Uthaymeen, Sheikh Al Albani, and others like them.

Note, that we should excuse him due to the fact, that he was decieved by the KSA Government, may Allah give them what they deserve, and that he wrote a letter of apology for this later, and his last words, were "Kick the Kuffar Out."

All people make Mistakes, and the Scholars no doubt make them as well.

Of course from an Academic Stand Point, one can see his Opinion and one who is grounded in Fiqh, etc. Can probably defend his opinion, as you can defend almost any weak opinion if you want. So there are probably some who defend his opinion, (which I would not be so hasty to crtiticize, unless your on the same level of Islamic Scholarship he was).


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10-05-2002 06:50 PM



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May Allah bless Allamah Bin Baz (rh) who revived the Salafi Dawah in our time.

Brother SAS Jamal has pretty much summed it all up. Shaikh Bin Baz gave his Ijithad after tedious evidence was provided to him. Many ulema and Students of knowledge advised him not give the fatwa by quoting the two hadiths of Rasul (saw): "No two religion can exist in the holy lands" and "Expel the Jews and Christians from the Peninsula".

Anyway, may Allah reward him for all the good he done. Ameen.


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10-05-2002 07:10 PM




 
I second a hacking group

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I second a hacking group
it was posted on wired.com that there are plenty of isreali hacking groups taking down sites that tell the truth. i say we form a muslim hacking group and fight back i know the basics of hacking i havent done it for years now but i do remember the denial of service attacks and using exploits and such


i am an expert in programmin and muslim bros have the brightest minds so we can do it if u guys are in


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09-28-2002 07:13 PM



Ahmed Al-Leebee
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Assalamu Alaikum salmandada long time no see


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09-29-2002 12:02 AM



salmandada
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yep but i am back ooh yea



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10-05-2002 04:44 AM



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can you name sites that need to be hacked?please



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10-05-2002 05:07 PM



sh4fiu
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i give thumbs up to that.
If any one intrested then pls count me in.
PM me if any 1 intrested


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10-05-2002 06:36 PM



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just a quick question, how many of you know how to hack?

i mean its not something you can pick up over night, you really need to know what your doing else, you will be making the big mistake!

anyway insha'Allaah i wish you the best of luck in your hacking careers, my only advise to you is dnt use Windows to hack, if you was u i would just Linux, its way more secure!


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10-05-2002 07:31 PM




 
giving salams for dawah purposes?

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giving salams for dawah purposes?
Assalam aleikum,

Are we allowed to say "assalamu aleikum" to non-muslims that are on the verge of converting to islam? I mean, I've noticed that telling them this makes them feel like they belong and that they are entering a brotherhood, especially since most of the time they're being rejected and persecuted for learning about islam...

jazakallah khairan.
wassalam


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10-03-2002 10:07 PM



SasJamal
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Question:

According to a hadeeth narrated by Imaam Muslim in his Saheeh from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him), the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not initiate the greeting of salaam with the Jews and Christians, and if you meet one of them on the road then let him go to the narrowest part of it.” (Muslim, al-Salaam, 2167). Doesn’t doing this put people off entering Islam?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

You should note that the best of those who call people to Allaah is the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and that the best of those who guide people to Allaah is the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). If we know that, then we should be skeptical about any interpretation of the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that does not make sense or does not seem to be wise. We should realize that our understanding of the Prophet’s words may be wrong. That does not mean that we should judge the ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) on the basis of our personal reasoning, because our reasoning and understanding may be lacking. But there are general guidelines in sharee’ah to which we may refer with regard to individual matters.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not initiate the greeting of salaam with the Jews and Christians, and if you meet one of them on the road then let him go to the narrowest part of it.” What this means is: do not give way to them if you meet them, so that the way is open for them and you cause restriction to yourself. Rather, continue on your way and leave the narrow gap – if there is a narrow gap – for them. It is known that the teaching of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), when he saw a kaafir, was not to go and crowd him out of the way so that he would end up against the wall. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do this to the Jews of Madeenah and his Companions did not do that after their conquests of other regions.

What it means is that just as you do not initiate the greeting of salaam, you should not make room for them. If they meet a group of you, do not split up to let them pass, rather continue on your way and leave them the narrow space if there is a narrow part of the road. This hadeeth is not meant to put people off Islam, rather it is a manifestation of the Muslim’s pride and a sign that he does not humiliate himself for anyone except his Lord.

Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthyameen, part 3, p. 38 (www.islam-qa.com)


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10-05-2002 07:38 PM



SasJamal
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Question:

Is it permissible to greet a non-Muslim teacher in the classroom or outside?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

It was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not initiate the greeting to the Jews and Christians.” (Narrated by Muslim, Kitaab al-Salaam). The Jews used to pass by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say “Al-saam ‘alaykum” meaning death. So the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us to say “Wa ‘alaykum (and also to you).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, Kitaab al-Adaab; Muslim, Kitaab al-Salaam).

So you should not initiate the greeting, but if he greets you and initiates the greeting, then say, “Wa ‘alaykum.” But Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) mentioned in Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah that if we know for sure that a kaafir has said “Al-salaamu ‘alaykum,” then we may say, “Wa ‘alaykum al-salaam.”

From Fataawa al-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen, Kitaab al-‘Ilm, p. 154, 155 (www.islam-qa.com)


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10-05-2002 07:39 PM




 
Muslim women sings national anthem at 911 memorial to a packed stadium
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Muslim women sings national anthem at 911 memorial to a packed stadium
http://www.toledomuslims.com/Criterion/Article.asp?ID=159

Today is Friday, October 04, 2002

Muslim women sings national anthem at 911 memorial to a packed stadium
Staff Reporter
News



(ToledoMuslims.com – 9/11/2002)—In an event that will be remembered throughout the ages, a young Muslim girl sang the national anthem at the September 11, 2001 anniversary commemorative day in the City of Toledo's memorial service at the Mudhen's Stadium downtown.

Leena Hammuda, a senior at Toledo Islamic Academy and a member of the Muslim Students Association at the University of Toledo, took to the microphone, flanked by Police Chief Mike Navarre, Fire Chief Mike Belle, and Sheriff James Telb, and sang a powerful rendition of the National Anthem. Leena was the only speaker at the event. The remainder of the function consisted of videos and bagpipe playing.

The day began quietly with a moment of silence. Shortly thereafter a group of army and marine officers presented the colors. Then the announcer asked everyone to stand for the national anthem. That's when Leena and her entourage made their way to the pitcher's mound. They stepped back in unison, then Leena took one step forward toward the microphone.

The crowd of over 5,000 was moved as Leena sang the national anthem. Emotions were running high. The crowd clapped, cheered, and wept all at once before it was over. Leena's voice resounded and touched the hearts of all the union members, professionals, law enforcement, miltary personnel, teachers, politicians, and the retired that filled the stadium.

Leena and her entourage began to make their way off center stage and back to the sidelines. As they passed by a group officers, the officers saluted them and held their heads up high. Leena saluted back. Photographers were there to capture every moment.

As soon as Leena finished and had a few seconds to herself she was inundated with reporters, camera flashes, and interview requests. She spent sometime afterwards talking to the press about what it means to be an American and why she agreed to do the national anthem.

"All I can say is, wow! She was wonderful. The imagery, the outfit, everything. As soon as she started my husband and I were crying. I couldn't hold back. That's all… it was so wonderful," said Marie Hampton, who could barely hold back her tears.

According to Mohammed Alo, who serves as the Secretary General of the United Muslim Association of Toledo (UMAT) and on the Board of Directors of Mobile Meals of Northwest Ohio, this event is probably the first and only of its kind. "Every city in the United States had a service today. But not a single one had a service like this! No where else did a Muslim girl sing the national anthem wearing a hijab, being both fully American and fully Muslim. It's a huge breakthrough. She shattered so many stereotypes and barriers with that single patriotic act."

While other cities suffered a severe backlash against Arabs, Muslims, and other darker skinned citizens, Toledo is said to have had one of the lowest rates of anti-Arab backlash. Toledo has a long history of tolerance and has an Arab community that is well ingrained into the city's culture and heritage. Toledo was the first city to have an Arab American mayor, Mike Damas, many years ago.

To view the video click http://www.thealo.com/alomar/finally.wmv

Picture: Leena Hammuda standing on the pitcher's mound preparing to recite the national anthem, to a packed crowd. Police Chief Mike Navarre, Fire Chief Mike Bell and Sheriff James Telb stand behind her. (Photo: Ammar Alo/ToledoMuslims.com)


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10-04-2002 02:08 PM



UmmKhubayb
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OMG! I think I am gonna puke....or make takfeer on her parents...


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10-04-2002 02:17 PM



Scottish Sister
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lol Umm

pretty pathetic I wonder when she is going to look back

at what she did and say OMG what was I doing .......


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10-04-2002 02:26 PM



Talib
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May ALLAH guide the misguided. AMEEN


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And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated
(and oppressed)? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! rescue us from this town,
whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect;
and raise for us from thee one who will help!



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10-04-2002 02:30 PM



UmmKhubayb
The Taaliban are styly!!!

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perhaps this is riddah!


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"Oh Hindus! Do not think the Muslims are weak. If you you shoot one bullet at us, we will shoot one rocket at you." [Maulana Masood Azhar]

"If the Government thinks it will chase those who raise funds and remove the collection boxes, then I say to them: Do your worst. You may stop all of this, but how will you stop that Hand that sends rizq to the Mujaahideen from the seventh heavens?" [Maulana Masood Azhar]



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10-04-2002 02:48 PM



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Hahahahaha haa hahahahaha haaaa... OMG !!! SubhanAllah !

you know what brothers and sisters, I think everyone reaches a point *in our times* where nothing can surprise them anymore ! I mean that's it... so what's the big deal she sang the anthem... afterall, many muslims beat her to being munafiks ...ooops I meant "American Muslims".... LOL.... Honestly, I think we should just sometimes take a step back and look at everything we witness in our lifetime ..... and glorify Allah for making us strangers ! Alhamdulilah !!!

*sigh* I do feel bad for the poor girl , but *shoulder shrug* what can I say but May Allah guide her and all the thousands !

Inna lilahi wa ina ilhi ragi3oon... La ilaha ila Allah , Muhammed rasoulallah !!!!

wa slaaamu alikum wr wb
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10-04-2002 03:48 PM



Doctor Who
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i wonder when she last time she read the quraan with such passion?

if she keeps doing what she is doing, when she will be singing her way into hell!!!

flipping munafiqs!!!


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10-04-2002 07:31 PM



Doctor Who
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oh my god i 4got to put my hand on my heart when she was singing the words of Hizbul'Shaytaan, and also forgot to take my hat off...........where are my manners!!!

if this dippy girl and her parents think are proud of her, and still they are within Ahlul Sunnah wal Jammaat, then they mistaken!


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10-04-2002 07:38 PM



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this girl is sick. She has disgraced all of us. In Islam it is haraam or unlawful for a woman to sing. The consequence is so severe that those who even hear her singing will be punished severly in the hereafter. And yet inspite of this notorious act she wears a hijaab! Alas! what a disgrace! Such modern so called moderate muslims are the real ones who are hurting the image of Islam. May God protect us and make us from the Ghuraaba.


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History is a witness that the first naval force was in fact headed by Muawiya (Radhiallaahu Anhu) during the Caliphate of Uthman(Radhiallaahu Anhu).

the Messenger of Allah (SAW) prayed for Muawiyah(radiallaho anh) with these words: "O Allaah! Teach Muawiyah the Book, and save him from the fire" [an authentic narration reported by Ahmad (4/127), and Ibn Hibbaan (566) and at-Tabarani]

Omar ibn Al-Khattab(ra) stated about Muawiyah(ra):"By Allah, I saw nothing but goodness from him, and I was told nothing about him but goodness. If I was told something other than that, then you would see something different to you (Mu'awiyah), but I saw him - he pointed by his hand - and wanted to put down what has gone up in himself." [Al-Bidayah wan Nihayah, vol.8 p.128]

Ibn Katheer reported that none other than Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) said after the Battle of Siffin: 'O people, do not hate or talk ill of the leadership of Mu'awiya (Radhiallaahu Anhu), for if you loose him it would be such a tragedy as if you see your limbs falling from your bodies'

The Prophet said:"Those who hate the Sahaabah, hate them because (in reality) they hate me"



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10-04-2002 09:04 PM



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Salaams all,
I am disgusted and disgraced. She is an embarrasment to Muslimahs. If she was say, the Malaysian beauty queen, we'd expect it. But a Muslimah in hijaab? Ya Allah Astaghfirullah. Not only is she standing up there with men, she is singing the Shaitaans anthem with pride, in public viewing. Authoo Billah. Muslim women are telling the rest of the world that we do not play up to perverted kuffar western desires. That we are modest and upright. This woman has disgraced us all. And you can be sure shaitaan was clapping the loudest.

Your sister in Islam, Ruqayyah


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10-04-2002 09:40 PM



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ASTAGFIRULLAH...MANY PEOPLE HAVE BECOME SELL-OUTS!

MAY ALLAH PROTECT US AND KEEP US STEADFAST!


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I shall turn my face away from a land which has
Made my tongue ineffective and locked up my heart,
A man’s clear resolution and common sense
Dictate that he turn away from the sun’s glare.

O BROTHERS!
The dream of disgrace has gone on long enough
Where, then, is the roar of lions?
The party of the small birds have become eagle-like
And we are under subjugation of slaves-
The subjugation of slaves out of submissiveness
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10-04-2002 09:50 PM



Doctor Who
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oh my god, the video clip wouldnt load up b4 for me, so i thought i would give it another shot, and guess wot it worked!

anyway, is it me or cant this girl sing, it sound like a one of those discovery shows on animals in the wild!

it really touched me to see a Muslimah sing and praising the very same ppl who send there soldiers into the lands of Islaam, and who send their soldiers to rape other Muslimahs, its clear sisterhood mean alot to this lil munafiq!

another thing, so what if she is wearing a Hijaab, i bet you she toke it off as soon as her clown show was over.


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10-04-2002 10:16 PM



Doctor Who
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ive taken the time to re-write the revised yanky national anthem!




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Oh, say can you see were killers by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at satan's last gleam?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched the killings of the babies!
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air killing the innocent as they sleep,
Gave proof thru the night that our flag was still there, while we killed the kids so indiscrimenatly
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner of satan yet wave
O'er the land of the jews and the home of the cowards?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence of the dead that we have killed to proudly,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows that we inflicted, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner of satan! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the pigs and the home of the cowards.


And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war that we cause and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more, til we kill til dawn
Their blood has washed out due to us!

No refuge could save us from the hireling and slave'
From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner of butchers in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the jews and the home of the cowards.


Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall die
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with non-existant victory and peace we so dream of, may the hell's rescued land, is ours!
the Power that hath made and a cowardly nation.
Then die we must, when our cause it is injust,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust, for hell is our abode."
And the star-spangled banner of death shall wave
O'er the land of the killers and the home of the brave.
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10-04-2002 10:32 PM



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I wonder why we post news about such Muslims. Before this we had some girls participating in Miss Universe contest.


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10-04-2002 10:43 PM



Talib
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It was bad enough when i read she was a muslim, but when i saw the picture, astagfirullah i really flipped. Ya allah. A sister in Hijab. Oh ALLAH wats happening to this ummah....


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whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect;
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