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Saturday, April 05, 2003
 
Fight a different Jihad
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Fight a different Jihad
I see lots of people on this forum wanting to go fight a jihad in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Well I wanted to say, that if we the Muslim youth will make ANY difference in this world, it won't be by fighting. We must have good careers, become doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. Unless we become sucessful, we will fail in all aspects of life. Look at the Jews, how powerful they have become by becoming sucessful. If you want to fight Jihad, fight the Jihad against yourself. Just a challenge for you guys



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04-04-2003 12:13 AM



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sorry musa, i understand your point, but disagree wholeheartedly

yes we should and must have education, and a marketable skill, even if its just a porter in a bus station, but that is not jihad

we must learn how to fight, losing the desire of jihad (fighting) from your heart is not good in this deen

i would hate for us to mimic the jews in anything they do, lest we follow them into the fire

the companions were businessmen (some were) but they were also mujahideen

and another issue, the world we live in has become so used to "buying stuff" that there is almost no limit to how hard you must work to be "successful"

i have a good job, and make a decent salary, and i am still broke, so for me to really be successful i would have to work another job and my wife would have to work, and i would have to take out loans to buy stuff

the prophet said poverty is not a problem of this ummah, wealth is, and our desire for it


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04-04-2003 12:51 AM



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assalamu alaikum
heu yes jihad against our desires and such is essential no doubt.
But i dont see how by becoming doctors , engineers, etc your gonna change a lot of things. And we cant rule by other laws than the one of Allah so forget about becoming a lawyer. and if we dont fight how the muslim lands are going to be liberated then? the kuffar are fighting us and putting a lot of effort in it you know.. and i dont think anyone here want to follow the jews... they didnt gain their power because they were succesful but because of interest and other evil ways. I dont know if i made sense... someone will surely give you a better answer

"And they say: Be Jews or Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say: Nay, but (we follow) the religion of Abraham the upright, and he was not of the idolaters." [2:135]


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04-04-2003 12:56 AM



Musa
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What I'm saying is that no one will listen to us if we don't have a good education, thats all



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04-04-2003 01:09 AM



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an education in what?

law? kufr law?

medicine? there is an islamic approach to medicine

accountant? with what economic system?

and whats worse, almost every muslim i see that is within these professions is not anyone who is remotely interested in any jihad, whether thru nafs or the sword


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04-04-2003 01:30 AM



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Assalamu alaikom akhi Musa,

I want to tell you this small story real quick.

A few months after 9/11 this lady in her late 50s from Japan tells me how much she started admiring muslims and islam when a ransom was put to capture the head of brother Usama. No one would sell him out. One action at the peak of hatered towards muslims this lady respected muslims and islam.

I agree with you that we should be educated but that is not all of it and not what it is all about.


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04-04-2003 01:38 AM



Musa
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quote:
Originally posted by Raafi
an education in what?

law? kufr law?

medicine? there is an islamic approach to medicine

accountant? with what economic system?

and whats worse, almost every muslim i see that is within these professions is not anyone who is remotely interested in any jihad, whether thru nafs or the sword

Eh, jihad doesn't have to mean holy war against some country. It is a struggle against one's self to do better. We use the same medicine as the west does, law, we still punish for most the same crimes, but we give harsher punishments. If we don't modernize ourselves (I mean countries, I don't mean adjust to Western culture) we will be defeated by the U.S.-Zionist forces every time we fight. Look how much the damn Saudi royal family has and the other foolish Gulf states, they should focus on their military, not on palaces. We the Muslims, were once the masters of science, engineering, and medicine. We have to become the masters again.



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04-04-2003 01:44 AM



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Re: Fight a different Jihad
quote:
Originally posted by Musa
I see lots of people on this forum wanting to go fight a jihad in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Well I wanted to say, that if we the Muslim youth will make ANY difference in this world, it won't be by fighting. We must have good careers, become doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. Unless we become sucessful, we will fail in all aspects of life. Look at the Jews, how powerful they have become by becoming sucessful. If you want to fight Jihad, fight the Jihad against yourself. Just a challenge for you guys


yes, i agree, what has fighting achiveed in palestine? there is no islamic country with a strong enough military to fight the kufaars, and even if there was, then u suggest that we invade israel and destroy them? if we do that, then there will be nuclear war and no victors. but by showing might, and showing that you are a economic power, then you have influence and power.

if you want a strong muslim country, we have to educate ourselves.

You can keep on talkin about killing the kufaars, but the way I see it, in 20 years time, nothings gonna change. you will see. if we keep on this way, sending off people with AK's against F16's, there is going to be nothing but more pain, humiliation, sadness and suffering.



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04-04-2003 01:48 AM



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musa,

when you read quran, Allah uses the word falah (success), how does Allah define success?

regarding winning battles, what is the tool that a muslim needs to win a battle?

i dont have any of my medicine stuff available now, but there are some very stark differences between the muslims explored medicine and the way the kuffar study medicine?

yes, struggling against yourself is a jihad, but can you compare that to going out and fighting in the cause of Allah, compare what Allah says in quran, compare the life of our beloved prophet (sas), he did not make this deen where we are ascetics

and yes, we were this and we were that, many weres, but what caused our fall?


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04-04-2003 01:49 AM



Musa
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quote:
Originally posted by Raafi
musa,

when you read quran, Allah uses the word falah (success), how does Allah define success?

regarding winning battles, what is the tool that a muslim needs to win a battle?

i dont have any of my medicine stuff available now, but there are some very stark differences between the muslims explored medicine and the way the kuffar study medicine?

yes, struggling against yourself is a jihad, but can you compare that to going out and fighting in the cause of Allah, compare what Allah says in quran, compare the life of our beloved prophet (sas), he did not make this deen where we are ascetics

and yes, we were this and we were that, many weres, but what caused our fall?

Theres no "kuffar" medicine. Its not like its made in the name of Isa (PBUH) or something. Come on, medicine is medicine.
Theres two hadiths, which was "Go to as far as China to seek education." I'm pretty sure that was a hadith, if not, correct me. Another was "A scholar's ink is holier than a martyr's blood." I know that is a hadith.



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04-04-2003 02:07 AM



Raafi
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are you going to address the other questions i mentioned?


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04-04-2003 02:09 AM



Musa
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Also, there hasn't been a Muslim Nobel Peace Prize in Science ever, (there was a Egyptian Muslim in Poetry, but not Science)
Will we let the kuffar humiliate us like this?



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04-04-2003 02:10 AM



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Who cares about the Nobel Peace Prize?

Fear Allah and have taqwa. The kuffar will be humiliated on Yaum Al-Qiyama and to me they humiliate themselves each and every day.

Do yourself a favour:

Work for the next life, the Hereafter. This life is so short it is not really a true life. You could be gone tomorrow, than what will you have to say for yourself? Allahu ta'ala knows best.

While you see some people leading a life of materialism and shirk, just remember those mujahideen who are far smarter in that they are down on gritty ground throughout the Muslim lands and giving their lives for Allah's sake.

They are destined for greatness because they will insha-Allah achieve martyrdom and will have the among the most wonderful lives in the Hereafter.

What is this life compared to the Hereafter? The Hereafter is incomprehensibly longer than the life you currently lead. It also offers far more than anything this life could ever offer. What you do right now in your life will have a dramatic impact on you when you die.

Instead of worrying about silly things like the Noble Peace Prize, built and established for the Kuffar, why don't you worry about your deen and what will happen to you if you don't obey Allah.


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04-04-2003 03:18 AM



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Also, please insha-Allah reference your hadiths.

It is dangerous to say "Oh the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said this and said that and said this" without giving references to the collectors of the hadith (at the very least - you could mention the isnad and whether the scholars think it is authentic or not as well!).

Jazak Allahu khairan.


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04-04-2003 03:23 AM



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quote:
Originally posted by Musa
Also, there hasn't been a Muslim Nobel Peace Prize in Science ever, (there was a Egyptian Muslim in Poetry, but not Science)
Will we let the kuffar humiliate us like this?


Is this what your goal is? To learn stuff so you could show off to other people? The person who has Ilm of Islam and the person who has La Ilaha Illala in his heart, is infite times smarter then the person who does not. Ilm of Islam, is better then Ilm of Dunya.



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04-04-2003 03:39 AM
Tuesday, April 01, 2003
 
U.S. TV Correspondent Sacked For Comments About Iraq
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U.S. TV Correspondent Sacked For Comments About Iraq
Yep!

So much for the 'freedom' of speech, and the rest of it.

islamonline.net Award-winning news correspondent Peter Arnett, famed for his coverage of the Vietnam War and the first Gulf war, has been sacked Monday, March 31, by NBC after he suggested on Iraqi television that the U.S. war plan had failed.

On its "Today's Show" morning news broadcast, NBC read a statement from network officials announcing that the New Zealand-born Arnett had been canned.

"It was wrong for Mr. Arnett to grant an interview to state-controlled Iraqi television, especially at a time of war," the NBC statement said, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP).

"And it was wrong for him to discuss personal observations and opinions in that interview.

"Therefore," the statement concluded, "Peter Arnett will no longer be reporting for NBC News and MSNBC."

Early in the scandal, NBC stood by Arnett, saying in a press release that "his remarks were analytical in nature and were not intended to be anything more."

In his comments broadcast this past weekend by Iraqi television, Arnett said "the first war plan has just failed because of Iraqi resistance."

"Clearly the American war planners misjudged the determination of the Iraqi forces," Arnett told Iraqi journalists.

On the broadcast Monday, Arnett offered his apologies to NBC and to the U.S. public, saying he was "embarrassed" by the controversy that had erupted following his comments.

"Clearly, by giving that interview to Iraqi television, I created a firestorm in the United States, and for that I am truly sorry," he said, adding that it had been "an impromptu interview."

"I gave some personal observations - some analytical observations - which I don't think are out of line with what experts think," Arnett said.

"But clearly I misjudged the firestorm," said Arnett, 68, who is a naturalized American.

"I am not anti-war ... I am not anti-military," he told viewers on NBC Monday.

Condemnation for the comments came from around the United States. Former New York Senator Alfonse D'Amato, interviewed on Fox News Sunday, said Arnett's comments gave "aid and comfort to the enemy."

"He's buttering them up," D'Amato said.

Arnett, in Baghdad for NBC and National Geographic Explorer, was one of the few Western correspondents in the Iraqi capital. He became a household name by reporting for CNN from Baghdad during the first Gulf War in 1991.

Arnett was also involved in CNN's darkest moment - a 1998 report called "Tailwind," which contended that American forces in Vietnam had used the lethal nerve agent sarin.

The report could not be unsupported by the facts in a subsequent in-house investigation, and CNN was forced into a retraction and public apology. Arnett left the following year.

Arnett said Monday that he has no immediate plans.

"There's a small island in the South Pacific, uninhabited, which I will try to swim to," he said.

On Friday, March 28, the Pentagon expelled a U.S. journalist with the Christian Science Monitor from Iraq claiming he revealed sensitive information in broadcast interviews.



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03-31-2003 09:29 PM



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Is this democracy or dectatorship!


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03-31-2003 09:36 PM



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Well its beginning to look like a real dictatorship. Liberty of press and pretty much every other liberties are fading away in the states. By the way you have a great avatar Qassam al Habashi!


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03-31-2003 11:19 PM



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Their morale is so weak and fragile that anyone making any comment admitting they are making errors means they are seen as traitors and treacherous. Its laughable that the americans feel like this, but hey, this is a nation full of children born through adultery, one night stands, orgies etc.

DO we really expect them to be any different?


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04-01-2003 07:43 AM



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freedom of speech doesnt mean you say things your employer detests

if someone working for you was busy saying things you strongly disagree with, he does not a freedom of speech right to keep his job


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