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Huge Operation in Riyaadh (IV)
Abu Ubaidallah
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Originally posted by Saracen
The residential compounds had besides muslims, those non-muslims which had nothing to do with military. e.g. Heads, senior managers of multinationals and hospitals. They were there as hired employers. Heading a hospital means working against Islam? or mujahideen? I dont't think so. The bombings were certainly not inevitable.

Oh And Good Luck with ur airbag.

Thanks for ur time.


Since when did soldiers become innocent hospital workers?

You're not living in Riyadh, you don't know what's going on, you didn't know these people, who were killed, while they were living to confirm they were hospital workers, you have just chosen to believe in the media, and it's lies, and have condemned our brothers who are rolling around in gardens with their Hoor in Jannah and have accused them of these accusations without a single shred of proof only that from the yahoodi owned news networks.

I don't believe our brothers targeted non-combatants, Mujahideen arn't stupid, they know what they're doing and they know what tactics to use [and I'm sure the Mujahideen visiting CG have taken into account the tactics put forward by our brothers on this board (sarcasm)].



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Some Opinions of some ordinary Saudis.

1. These are people who have no jobs: They have too much time on their hands, and are emotionally involved with the situation of the Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine. If they were employed and had a family, they would have time to sit and mull.
2. They listen to unqualified scholars. If they really knew their deen, they would not target innocent women and children and civiulian men.
3. Most of these are workers in the oil copmpanies. These were not military personnel!
4. I think these are conected to the disaffected exiles like Osama bin Laden.
5. I reckon these are operatives paid by the CIA or MOSSAD to destabilize the government and the country. America wants to target us next.

These are a few of the reactions of the wives and daughters of Saudis, whom I teach in Riyadh.

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Salam dear brother AbuUbaidallah,

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Since when did soldiers become innocent hospital workers?


I understand ur utter excitement in bashing me but i think its my fault that i didnt fully expalin. Let me clarify again. I never said that soldiers are innocent hospital workers! I said that amongst the ppl. living there were hospital and multinational managers. (Besides Muslims were living there too I shud remind u again which u forget everytime!!)



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You're not living in Riyadh, you don't know what's going on, you didn't know these people, who were killed, while they were living to confirm they were hospital workers, you have just chosen to believe in the media, and it's lies, and have condemned our brothers who are rolling around in gardens with their Hoor in Jannah and have accused them of these accusations without a single shred of proof only that from the yahoodi owned news networks.

Yes u are right I'm not living in Riyadh. But I have lived in KSA for 10 yrs. of my life. I have a sound idea of wat kinda compounds are these. Secondly, instead of accusing me of believing in yahoodi networks, u cud have asked me y i'm mentioning hospital manager. It was told to me by a relative of mine who is living there neraby.. So this is a first hand account. He has no reason to lie to me.

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I don't believe our brothers targeted non-combatants

From the bottom of my heart, I hope they do not. But sometimes facts points otherwise. (I said sometimes)

And I leave ur sarcastic remarks to you.



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Who are you fooling around with your love of Aal-saud??
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May 14, 2003

In the shadows

Firm was 'cover for CIA'
By Ian Cobain



AS BEFITS a company that has been accused of being a CIA front, of recruiting “executive mercenaries” and attempting to overthrow the Prime Minister of a Commonwealth state, the Vinnell Corporation kept a low profile in Riyadh.

Its discreet security fooled nobody, however: the bomb attack was the second it has suffered in eight years. In 1995 seven people were killed. This shadowy corporation is said to have been founded during the Depression. Dan Briody, author of The Iron Triangle, a study of Vinnell’s one-time owners, the Carlyle Group, serialised last week in The Times, says that there is “no publicity, no press releases, no news clippings”.

He adds: “No one knows who the original owners were.”

Vinnell’s work in Saudi Arabia dates back almost 30 years, when it won a contract to train Saudi troops to guard oilfields. A congressional inquiry found that it had agreed a “no Jews” clause. In the 1991 Gulf War Vinnell employees were seen fighting alongside Saudi troops.

The company has helped the Saudis build their National Guard from 26,000 troops to around 70,000.

In the early Eighties Time magazine reported that two employees were embroiled in a failed attempt to overthrow Maurice Bishop, the left-wing Prime Minister of Grenada, and soon after that a former employee was implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...-679768,00.html



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05-14-2003 02:19 PM



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Assalamu aleikum,

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Some Opinions of some ordinary Saudis.

1. These are people who have no jobs: They have too much time on their hands, and are emotionally involved with the situation of the Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine. If they were employed and had a family, they would have time to sit and mull.
2. They listen to unqualified scholars. If they really knew their deen, they would not target innocent women and children and civiulian men.
3. Most of these are workers in the oil copmpanies. These were not military personnel!
4. I think these are conected to the disaffected exiles like Osama bin Laden.
5. I reckon these are operatives paid by the CIA or MOSSAD to destabilize the government and the country. America wants to target us next.


Sister Armiyyab I think you have a lot of knowledge about Christianity and Islam - but unfortunately in these matters you seem to have to learn from the righteous scholars and not from government scholars who btw. Sheikhul-Islam Ibnul-Taymiah made takfeer upon (just as a reminder).

We Muslims are like one body - if a part gets hurt the rest of the Muslims have to hurry up to help them. If the muslims in Palestine are being slaughtered for more than eighty years my sis, then this is a shame for us, that we have until now not helped them - in contary some "scholars" are backstabbing them in the worst manner, helping the enemies of Allah namely the Jews to carry on their atrocities on our brothers and sisters and helping the kafir government in the Muslim land to carry on their treacherous disgusting policies of taking the Kuffar as their masters and destroying Islam and the Muslims.
Those comments "from ordinary" Saudis who most properly have been watching too much the great Islamic Saudi TV channel with the great dollar scholars there are really rediculous - in fact I am astonished sister, that you as a mashAllah learned person would so easily adopt them.
Most of the Mujahideen have in fact given up their Jobs to work to lift up the daily happening atrocities on the Muslims all over the world and to send cleary messages, that the Muslims are not sheeps to be slaughtered. Dr. Ayman al Zawahirie for example is a studied physician, Sheikh Usama bin Ladin is a studied civil engineer and surely not threatened to be without job and so are the Mujahideen intelligent and studied and learned Muslims who are sacrifying their lives to lift up some of the hardship on this lost ummah.

As the point of targeting "innocent" people, then this issue has been really overdiscussed now on this board - I advise you to search for some of those discussions and to read them. In a nutshell Sheikhul-Islam Ibnu Taymiah allowed to attack the Mongols with catapults although those were using Muslims as human shields - how is it then with "Muslims" who are chosing freely (if the reports of the fasiq saudi govt. are true at all) to live in neighbourhood of Mushrikeen, working for CIA and who are relatives of military members coming to this land of Najd and Hijaz to spread Christianity, to kill Muslims, to destroy Islam and to support the apostate rulers of the Arabs.
As an intelligent sister you surely have noticed that some kind of war took place some weeks ago in Iraq and you also surely noticed that some innocent children have been killed by american and british warplanes taking up from saudi soil. American and its citizens as you surely have noticed are not there for fun or because they love you and me (I am sure you knew that before but I just wanted to point that out in case you forgot).

In fact I don't understand why you think this attack has been made by "CIA" and "Mossad" - aren't the Americans "dhimmies", our protected "guests" and invited friends? Why should they do this to this coutry that loves them so much and is giving them oil for free, its soil and everything they want. It seems to me that you are clearly contradicting yourself armiyyab!

As for Sheikh Usama then surely I don't need to defend him - his enemies have praised him before his friends and no body who spoke about him ill has even lost a hair of his fee sabili Allah - so who is speaking about who?

I hope that you read my post openminded and don't let yourself be deluded by the primitive saudi propaganda.

wa aleikum alsalam

Hiba


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05-14-2003 04:53 PM



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Hiba. I meant no more by posting my student's opinions but to show you how the majority of the Saudis think. Among these opinions are some from learned men and some from beardless moustaches (I've seen who comes and picks them up) and am aquainted through mutual invitations with a few (very few), and of course, some from the girls themselves. Which is which, I leave you to decide. They are not necessarily my opinions.

Besides, even if these were financed and encouraged/planned by the enemy secret services, it makes no difference to the status of the victims. They are still non-combatents and not involved in the nafarious plots of their governments (you should know by now that the majority of the patriots and non-muslim posters believe such plots to be baseless 'conspiracy theories' ).

As for myself, my position on this is very clear, and the parallel thread spells it out. It is not from 'Saudi Propaganda'. Indeed, your opinion is the opinion of many Muslims concerning "the wahabis", which term makes people knee jerk their opinions out on the table. Don't you recognize that you, yourself, are a victim of Anti Sheikh Abdul Wahab (May Allah grant him rest), the student of the works of Sheikh Taymiyyah (May Allah grant him rest) propaganda, which has been transferred to the Saudis in General?

Perhaps you consider scholars such as the late Sheikhs Bin Baz and Uthaymeen, May Allah grant them the rest of the true believers, to be wahabi pocket scholars working for the Sauds. Perhaps you believe Sheikhs Gibreen and Fozan to be controlled by the Saud political and financial influence? Or perhaps you recognize their contribution to the pool of knowledge available to the ummah to have been beneficial and useful. You tell me.

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Ain't it funny how we can dedicate 4 pages to those poor innocent american soldiers, but yet when a couple thousand Muslims are killed here and there we display our disgust in a few words and a few "Inna lilahi wa inna ilahi raji'oon", and it doesn't even reach two pages.


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05-14-2003 05:31 PM



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quote:
Originally posted by Abu Ubaidallah
Ain't it funny how we can dedicate 4 pages to those poor innocent american soldiers, but yet when a couple thousand Muslims are killed here and there we display our disgust in a few words and a few "Inna lilahi wa inna ilahi raji'oon", and it doesn't even reach two pages.


That is so true akhi.


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05-14-2003 05:34 PM



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Sorry sister Armiyyab you are trying to change the topic -please answer please my questions and don't change topics. You keep repeating your statement about non-combatants and that is all.

I posted what Sheikhul-Islam Ibnu Taymiah said for example and if you have something to say in response to that please post it.


wa aleikum alsalam

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05-14-2003 05:43 PM



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quote:
Originally posted by Abu Ubaidallah
Ain't it funny how we can dedicate 4 pages to those poor innocent american soldiers, but yet when a couple thousand Muslims are killed here and there we display our disgust in a few words and a few "Inna lilahi wa inna ilahi raji'oon", and it doesn't even reach two pages.


What innocent soldiers? ?

I thought we were discussing the allowability of killing resident alien civilian workers in a Muslim country, who live in special residencial areas set apart from Muslim society because they are unbelievers (to minimise the fitnah which they represent with their way of life), in the cause of Jihad.

Armiyya


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Al 'Imran: 64



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05-14-2003 05:45 PM



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Salam,

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Ain't it funny how we can dedicate 4 pages to those poor innocent american soldiers, but yet when a couple thousand Muslims are killed here and there we display our disgust in a few words and a few "Inna lilahi wa inna ilahi raji'oon", and it doesn't even reach two pages.


The 4 pages are not dedicated to the looser american soldiers. Don't try to overlook wat is being argued over here.

Actually ur findings are quite correct. U know why? Becoz when the american soldiers kill, we are not surprised at all. They are savage beasts and we expect this from them. We try to have sabr and make dua to make us victorious.

But when things like riyadh bombings happen (and I'm presuming they were on residential areas as sister armiyya pointed out), then we are shocked. Was this or was it not acc. to Islam? U see we are trying to judge it accordance to Islam. Nobody is sympathizing with the american soldiers. Rather I'm thinking about those muslims killed there.

What would be the difference between us and them if we act like them?

And as sister hiba said the issue of killing non-muslim non-combatants is overdiscussed on this board. U know why? Bcoz the opinions which majority of ppl. hold over here goes against we read from elsewhere.

And I say again Stop accusing us of loving the American soldiers. U want to rejoice on some kinda attack on them. Well then remember the USS cole attack, the khobar bombing and the 200 killed in hizbullah suicide bombing. If u rejoice on these than I'm all with you.

Hope u understand what I'm trying to say.

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Question; Who said these people killed were workers?


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Exactly. this is a similar situation to Palestine. Sheikh Yassin says that Hamas only target military men, that is men over 18, whether they wear uniform or not. But when these attacks are carried out the media pretends it is "innocent civilians".



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In a nutshell Sheikhul-Islam Ibnu Taymiah allowed to attack the Mongols with catapults although those were using Muslims as human shields


Read the other thread.
In a nutshell. Was it the mongol soldiery or the mongol civilians being attacked? Were they, or were they not, fortified within a town and purposely mixing with muslims to shield themselves.
Was there, or was there not, a campaign of Jihad against them, with the muhjideen prepared to striking at military targets?

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- how is it then with "Muslims" who are chosing freely (if the reports of the fasiq saudi govt. are true at all) to live in neighbourhood of Mushrikeen,

It is not always 'freely'. Generally speaking, it is easier and more secure for the foreign Muslim employee to take the residential facilities the company offers. One such couple, a turkish couple from Germany, were afflicted by complaints from the Kaffir women (of all people) who did not like Arshiah taking her children to the pool while wearing full hijab. In fact, they didn't like her wearing hijab at all, and complained to the management. Eventually, she had to confine herself indoors because the rule of not wearing hijab was enforced. They moved out within a month, and are now happily (like myself) living in the normal areas of the city side by side with Muslims. They lived in the compound for six months, and only by persuading the company to give them a housing allowance instead of the contracted physical housing were they able to escape.

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working for CIA and who are relatives of military members coming to this land of Najd and Hijaz to spread Christianity, to kill Muslims, to destroy Islam and to support the apostate rulers of the Arabs.
and now you are into full swing on the anti wahabi rant, declaring to be so that which you have no concrete proof of - hence my previous reply... which stands.

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As an intelligent sister you surely have noticed that some kind of war took place some weeks ago in Iraq and you also surely noticed that some innocent children have been killed by American and British warplanes taking up from Saudi soil.

Once ,ore you are stating as fact that which is only hearsay. Many suspect Arar was use as such a base, since it was sealed off. But the Saudi government repeatedly denied that any strikes were made against Iraqi soil from any base in Saudi Arabia. Prove otherwise with substantiated proof (not hearsay). Besides, what has it to do with us killing civilians. An act of revenge, without backing from the sharriah?

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American and its citizens as you surely have noticed are not there for fun or because they love you and me (I am sure you knew that before but I just wanted to point that out in case you forgot).
Most of them are here for the money - which is tax free if we stay out here over three years (at least if we are British). I came for that purpose, too. A hefty percentage can't wait to leave again, and start looking for jobs in Japan, Taiwan and South Korea, which pay quite well too. What do you think they are here for? As for the companies (like British Aerospace and ARAMCO), they are here to make sure British and American interests are served. But they are not their personnel, many of whom are Saudis (and other Arabs), Philipinis and Pakistanis. And they are working for them for the money, too.

Armiyya


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quote:
Originally posted by Abu Ubaidallah
Question; Who said these people killed were workers?


Who says, except those who wish they weren't, that they were not workers?


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Al 'Imran: 64


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05-14-2003 06:16 PM
 
Huge Operation in Riyaadh (III)
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i dont think americans are there for any other purpose except working with the taghut to kill off islam and the muslims.

expel the mushrikeen from the arabian peninsula.

just kill them all and dont worry.


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05-13-2003 08:30 PM



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Assalam-o-alaikum,

Initial identfied nationalities of Riyadh bomb victims
7 Americans
7 Saudis
2 Jordanians
2 Filipinos
1 Lebanese
1 Swiss
Source: Saudi Interior Ministry

"...Australian officials said an Australian man was killed in the blasts, which also claimed the life of a son of Riyadh's deputy governor Abdullah al-Blaihed and two young Jordanian siblings.

The governor's son, Mohammad al-Blaihed, 35, was one of three Saudi victims of the explosion which wrecked the Al-Hamra compound in eastern Riyadh which is home to mainly Americans and other westerners, residents said.

The at least 11 fatalities in that compound also included a Palestinian-born Lebanese man, a Palestinian American man, and the two Jordanian children whose father was wounded, they said...."
Source: http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=5526


The saudis, jordanians and lebanese most probably would be muslims. Plus its certain that those died and injured were not all americans and it was a residential area and not a military base.

Many ppl. told me that salafis are actually khawaarij who do extensive takfeer of muslims and make their blood halal. I never believed these accusations until I came to this board. Looks like I was very wrong. Even if you think all those targets were halal, is the killing of two jordanian kids really a thing of rejoice??

Thanks for reading.



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05-13-2003 08:37 PM



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quote:
Originally posted by MuntaQim
The US personals who killed, were in Saudia to train Saudi forces to crack down Islamists.
Is it enough ? Or u need more details ?

WSalaaam


Wa alaykum,

Are they or are they not guests in the Country? The Home of Islam.

Saracen is right.

If you and others (like abu Qadama) are salafi, then you make a poor advertisement for them. But, knowing a large group of salafi Muslims, in which circle I am integrated, here in Riyadh, I doubt you represent the true salaf. If you did, you would go back to the sources for justification, not rely upon emotionalism.

Armiyya


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Al 'Imran: 64


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i dont know if you call soldiers guests, just after they are fresh from bombing muslims in iraq and afghanistan


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Ask your Saudi Interior Ministry wot they non Amreekans were doing wid amreekans ?

Also, a Muslim have always ready to die in the path of mighty Allah. If they were Innocent then dont worry, Insha Allah, they will get higher status of martyres .

There is No Loss for a Muslim when he follow Allah orders.
Yes We are Sorry about that children but We have to look thousands of other muslim children who r under attack of Crusaders.

just an example, a looter entered yur home and threat you to give money otherwise they will kill ur child.
If u accept thier demand to save yur child it means u r allowing that looter to do same wid other ppl.

so in my personal thinking, attack that looter and dont care yur child. If u succeed to arrest that looter and yur child martyred by him then it will be better to save other children and familes.



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Ya Raafi, assalam alaykum!

Are they invited (and paid) by the Saudi Government?
Is the Saudi Government the legitimate government of Saudi Arabia?
Is Saudi Arabia a Muslim country?
Is it the home of Islam?

If your answer is no to these questions, produce your daleel. If you agree, then answer the following.

Is killing such 'guests' in the country with or without the permission of the government according to the sharriah of Allah?
Did the Salaf ul Sahliheen do or approve such a thing
Did the Sahaba ever do or approve such a thing?
Did the prophet ever do or approve such a thing?
Does the Qur'an authorize such a thing?

If your answer is yes to all these, produce your daleel. If only a portion of the above is true, produce your daleel - but expect it to be challenged.

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Are they invited (and paid) by the Saudi Government? YES... SOO...

Is the Saudi Government the legitimate government of saudi arabia? ITS WHAT THEY CLAIM TO BE.. BUT IS IT???

Is Saudi Arabia a muslim country? OFCOURSE YES, IT HAS A MUSLIM MAJORITY.. SO CAN BE CALLED A MUSLIM COUNTRY, BUT IS IT AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY??? DO YOU CALL A COUNTRY WITH MAN MADE LAWS ISLAMIC??

Is it the home of Islam? ARE YOU A MUSLIM?

Is killing such 'guests' in the country wwith or without the permission of the government according to the sharriah of allah? WELL ITS LIKE ASKING IF ITS PROPER TO KILL THE KILLER WHOM MY BROTHER HIRED TO KILL ME, BECAUSE HE IS THE GUEST OF MY BROTHER WHO LIVES WITH ME

Did the Salaf ul Sahliheen do or approve such a thing HEARD ABOUT THE USE OF CATAPULT IN TABUK BY RASOOLULLAHI SALLAHLLAHU ALIHI WA SALLAM?

Did the Sahaba ever do or approve such a thing? READ ABOVE

Did the prophet ever do or approve such a thing? TELL ME HOW WAS THE CONDITION THAT ANY MUSLIM WHO COMES FROM MAKKAH SHOULD BE RETURNED TO QUREISH WAS REVOKEN?

Does the Qur'an authorize such a thing? "...And wage war on all the idolaters as they are waging war on all of you. And know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)"

[Quran 9:36]



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Assalammu Alaikum,

We wait for the scholars to comment on the Islamic ruling on this issue.

But as for the kuffar being in the arabian pennisula to live, this is haram and we cannot allow this. The Prophet(saw) made a direct order to "kick the jews and christians out of the arabic pennisula". So even if they are given visas to the country by the government to live does not override this command of the Prophet(saw).

But again on this specific situation I won't comment as the full details are not yet known and no scholars have said a word about this.


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I doubt any "scholars" will.



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Armiyya, whats the difference between the Crusaders who were there in Muslim lands with the permission and support of the Fatimids, and the Americans who are there now also with the permission and support of Saudi Arabia and other governments?

Whats the difference between the Mongols who were there with the permission and support of the Alawites, and the Americans who are currently in the same place with the support of various Muslim governments?

What is the difference between the mujahideen of back then like Salahudden who fought against the Crusaders and opposed the established governments like the Fatimids?

Or what about the mujahid Sayfud-Deen who fought against the Mongols?

What is the difference between them, and these "terrorists" of today? I mean, really...


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invitation or black mail???

and remember how in islam there is no "kings" as the rulers only khaliphas...

i mean... we dont have to do what the king says and frankly i can say he's a moron and its not even backbiting cuz against a king u CAN do that... and a king in the land of Islam as u have said... is it not totally wrong?

that the first rule he is breaking is being king in the first place... y not establish a khalifa government under sharia rather than kingship... then and only THEN its the "land of Islam"...

so to over throw the king and the supporters of the king... and to bring ISLAM to the "land of islam" is definitely ok, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY...


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Salam,

quote:
so to over throw the king and the supporters of the king... and to bring ISLAM to the "land of islam" is definitely ok, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY...


Well said But any means necessary should not transgress the limits of Allah. If done otherwise then it would become anarchy. We should not cross the limits of Jihad and enter into the limit of fasad.


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We have the government scholars to blame for this, it is them who try to beautify the Kufr of the rulers and cement their thrones. It is the Haakimiyya which exposes this guise that these Rulers have, that it is why it inevitable to replace them with a just ruler who rules by Allah’s Laws, so we taste the fruits of victory once again.

It was quite rightly said by the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) that such scholars will be at the gates of paradise calling people to Jannah with their words, but their actions will call people to the Hellfire.

Here you can hear Faleh al-Harbee, a dollar scholar praising America for benefiting Islam for its presence in our lands:

See: http://mypage.ayna.com/zoom_2001/yyyyyy.rm


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Assalam alaykum,

The men in the compound. Were they invited to work in Saudi Arabia, whether military advisors, civuilian personnel and soldiers or not?

If they were, then are they not under the peace of the government of this Muslim country?

Is it right to allow this atrocity against those who under the protection of the government of a Muslim country?

Do they not have the status of dhimmis, or its modern day equivalent?

Is this an action of Justice?

Is it good Da'wa?

Armiyya


I think I need to fit my chair with an air bag, cause one day I'm gonna read a post like this again and fall off my chair laughing and hit my head.

Please, go read Shaykh Usamas Declaration Of War



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Salam,

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I think I need to fit my chair with an air bag, cause one day I'm gonna read a post like this again and fall off my chair laughing and hit my head.


Shaykh Usama in his interview to the CNN clearly said that he was against the policies of the American Gov., not the ppl. per se. In yet another interview he was asked about the anti-war protests happening in Europe and America. He replied that they were commendable and said the ppl. in antiwar protests were humans and were against injustice. He said that human instinct is against injustice happening to us. Concerning Iraq he said IF the british and american ppl support the gencoide of our children then we support their killing. There was a big IF in there which the world media deliberately forgot. Besides, Shaykh Usama is not a prophet that whatever he says or do is beyond error.

The residential compounds had besides muslims, those non-muslims which had nothing to do with military. e.g. Heads, senior managers of multinationals and hospitals. They were there as hired employers. Heading a hospital means working against Islam? or mujahideen? I dont't think so. The bombings were certainly not inevitable.

Oh And Good Luck with ur airbag.

Thanks for ur time.



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Huge Operation in Riyaadh (II)

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So why did you fall off your chair laughing?

My personal opinion is that these strikes would be better targeted against the corrupt Saudi regime, than these Americans, who hold little tactical value.

I am not debating on a matter of belief, but rather tactics.



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I suggest you drop it before you both get into an argument of some sort.



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More UPDATE

Coward Powel cancel his press confrence in Riyaadh...

Enjoy:P

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Man, you're funny.

Bring back your old avatar man.



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quote:
So why did you fall off your chair laughing?


party at mine 9pm, see you there


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aww those poor poor "innocent" amrikaan soldiers.


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off the topic totally, but i was listening to a news clip!

www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/reports/...cs/qatada.shtml

listen to about 5mins in, national insurance card!

May Allaah preserve our beloved Mujahid Shaykh! Aameen

oh and ignore the kuff he's just doing what he is best at, being a fool!


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please tell me that this aint true! the newspapers here say that only 12 of 90 were americans, the rest saudis!



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Of course the numbers probably aren't confirmed yet. But you must know that if you go and blow yourself up, that bomb is going to kill indiscriminately. I feel sad for both the American and Saudi's that were killed.



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May Allah Re ignite the spirit of Jihad in the land where it all began 1423 years ago. This is the only way for the Ummah to regain it's dignity, Thru Jihad and Jihad alone. The Scholars of Arabia shold always be ready to sacrifice their lives for Allah and His messenger (pbuh). Anyone can talk about making Jihad in other lands but when comes to the Heartland of Islam, ther is no such talk of Jihad to get rid of the Mushrikeen, munaifqeen and Kafireen. If your live the life of a truthfull and pious scholar then they are already prepared to die for Allah, but if you live the life of a dishonest scholare who gets his order from other than Allah then such a person would not long for death. May Allah raise this ummah from disgrace thru Jihad and Jihad Alone.



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U know these local saudis were working for US crusaders.
why not tehy ask thier govt that we r servant of Islam and we will never protect Enemies of Islam from Muajhideen. Atleast tehy can say that we will never do any duty near US soldiers to become thier shield. Because US have too many enemies worldwide.

U know in Muslim Countries,who protect US Crusaders? its Local authorities. Whereever US go, local forces protect them. They Amreekan hired local ppl to use them as shield .

So it also lesson for those local ppl who are working for enemies of islam and Protecting them.

Amreekan Crusaders Forces should go back and Free our land.
u see how many Peace loving countries protest US to not attack Iraq but US said she dont care now i m Sure they will care Insha ALLAH.

As this Amreeka only understand language of Bomb, They bomb our ppl and wot will u expect reply of Bombing? Offcourse it will be same but difference is Muslim Mujahideen first give thier life to mighty Allah and then take enemies life, not like coward US forces who dropped Bomb from 50,000 ft above.

May Allah swt accept sacrifice of Mujahideen who give thier lives to kick Amreeka from Holy land. Also may Allah swt reward the innocent lives who become victem in this noble cause.

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Assalam alaykum,

The men in the compound. Were they invited to work in Saudi Arabia, whether military advisors, civuilian personnel and soldiers or not?

If they were, then are they not under the peace of the government of this Muslim country?

Is it right to allow this atrocity against those who under the protection of the government of a Muslim country?

Do they not have the status of dhimmis, or its modern day equivalent?

Is this an action of Justice?

Is it good Da'wa?

Armiyya


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The US personals who killed ,were in saudia to train saudi forces to crack down Islamists .
is it enough ? or u need more details ?

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Car With Explosives Hits Saudi Compound
Car With Explosives Hits Saudi Compound
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlate...2668225,00.html


Monday May 12, 2003 10:49 PM


RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) - A car packed with explosives crashed late Monday into a Riyadh compound housing Westerners, causing casualties, Saudi security officials said.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the car blew up after slamming into a residential compound in the eastern part of the Saudi Arabian capital.

The officials said the explosion caused an unspecified number of injuries.



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Huge Operation in Riyaadh
Assalamu 'alaykum,

Allahu Akbar, walilahilhamd.

30 minutes ago, headlines broke with report on three huge explosions in Riyaadh on buildings inhabited by Americans.

One of which at least, was conducted by a martyrdom operation.

Keep updated.



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05-13-2003 12:25 AM



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I wish they could target King Fahad and his lowlife family.



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BOMBS EXPLODE IN RIYADH


Three bombs have exploded at residential compounds housing westerners in Riyadh causing many casualties, according to reports.

The seperate attacks came just hours before US secretary of state Colin Powell is due to arrive there.


Al-Jazeera Arabic television has reported that two of the blasts shook areas where Americans live.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, they said the car crashed into the compound in the eastern part of the city.

Police cars and ambulances were seen rushing to the explosion site. No details are available on the identities of the reported victims.

The incident follows a warning issued by the US State Department earlier this month advising Americans to avoid travel to Saudi Arabia because of increased terrorism concerns.

On May 6, Saudi security forces seized a large cache of weapons and explosives in Riyadh as they were searching for a number of suspected terrorists, an unidentified ministry official said.

One official, quoted by the state-run Saudi Press Agency, said at least 19 men - including 17 Saudis, an Iraqi holding both Kuwaiti and Canadian citizenships, and a Yemeni - are being sought in connection with terror plots.

Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of al Qaeda terror chief Osama bin Laden and home to 15 of the 19 September 11, 2001 attack hijackers.

Source: Sky News



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this operation was meant to be a "welcome message" to the convicted criminal Colin powell who is due to visit Riyadh these days. From the behaviour/attitude of Saudi authorities so far, it seems that the Casualties amongst the ranks of the Westreners is very high and some top American official appears to have targetted, because immediately after the blast washington announced that there were no top american official injured or killed in the blast.
Just a reminder the compounds and quarters which serves as the residences of the westerners in S.Arabia is full of obscenity, immorality, pollution and evil just like the societies in Europe and America. the Crusader men and women swim together in the open, wine is served in those quarters, western women walk around in the public very immorally dressed and without hijaab, bibles are read and churches are being held.


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Alhamdulilah,

May Allah azza wajal continue these attacks upon them and their likes throught the world.

Subhanallah just in the past day there has been so much action, Allahumma lak alhamd.


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LATEST NEWS: so far there is between 50 till 60 Americans dead or wounded and the numbers are increasing!


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Assalaamu-alikum

"so far there is between 50 till 60 Americans dead or wounded and the numbers are increasing!"

American civilian or military casualties? If military, good.

If Civilian, than astagfirallah, this is a major crime under shariah law.


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If Civilian, than astagfirallah, this is a major crime under shariah law.


I almost fell off my chair laughing when I read that.



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I almost fell off my chair laughing when I read that


Why? Are you saying Americans can't be civilians?



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Bros..

still there is now gonna be a major crackdown on all the scholars of Haqq etc in Saudi..Most of the brave scholars and duaats are gonna be arrested etc.

I think it would have been better to target them in Iraaq as saudi is the ideological centre of the dawah and needs to stay that way.



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Why? Are you saying Americans can't be civilians?


Did I say that?



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Down boys, neither of you are scholars.



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Again, from sheikh uthaymeen's book Åáì ãÊì åÐÇ ÇáÎáÇÝ "Until We Differ" (i dont see the arabic title meaning that)

"I will now try to put forth an example or two, and then we can seek help from each other in addressing other differences present these days. So for example, when th eGulf crisis occurred and teh Allied Forces arrived, people fell into dispute, a vast and immense dispute. They differened and had extremeely distict views, not only in our land but in others as well.

So people differed, Some started to make assumptions about others, while others blatantly spoke out. They differed to the point that one could even find hatred between two blood brothers!

And what was the result? The good {is always} in what Allah decrees, The crisis came to an end, and we in the land of Saudia were saved from much of what we previously feared. There was no devastation, alhamdulillah nor was there any loss of lives, as we had feared it to be a devastating war,

And according to the latest surveys, nothing has remained of the foreignn forces except for 30,000 when previously they were more then 500,000 and we ask Allah that He expedites the departure of those remaining and grants us self-sufficiency" p 13 & 14



so sheikh uthaymeen, a scholar, says that

"The crisis came to an end, and we in the land of Saudia were saved from much of what we previously feared. "

"There was no devastation, alhamdulillah nor was there any loss of lives, as we had feared it to be a devastating war"


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05-13-2003 12:17 PM
 
Riyadh Bombing
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Riyadh Bombing
Assalamu-alaikum,
Alhamdu-lillahi rabil'alameen, was-salatu-was-salamu 'ala rasoolillah (May Allah [swt] grant our messenger peace and blessings), amma ba'd:

Alhamdulillah, from what I have heard concerning the bombing in Ar-riyadh, Mashallah this is excellent news, may Allah (swt) grant those that participated in the martyrdom operation Janaatul-Firdous, Ameen.
The swines in the land of the Haramain should know that they do not belong here, Our messenger (saw) has ordered us to expel them from our land.
May allah humiliate the kafirs and their allies and destroy them, and may Allah (swt) grant the mujahideen victory in al their missions and increase their missions in number and effect and protect us from all of the kafirs evil plans. Ameen.
May Allah (swt) also wake us muslims up to help the mujahideen and fight the enemies of Allah (swt) and our enemies. Ameen.
"slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush" (sura Tawbah, verse 5)
"Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!" (sura Tawbah, verse 13)


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Ameen.....


JaZaKAlllah kahir akhi


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05-14-2003 05:28 PM



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You must be more careful as you are being watched on this board by several intelligence agencies, furthermore, it can jeopardize the existence of our site, and have several members under arrest.

Jazakumallahu khayran.


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05-15-2003 03:54 AM
 
Careful what You Post !
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Careful what You Post !
Brothers and Sisters , becareful...................

Some of the things posted here can get us all in very deep waters, and then we cannot work for the revival of the ummah. Especially you are jeopardizing the youngsters on this board, who have great potential to work for the ummah.

So please use your own judgement when you post things, and know you are being watched by several intelligence agencies.


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05-15-2003 04:00 AM



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Assalamu alaikum

To add to this,

Man you brothers and sisters, have to take his warning seriously. I tell you, from the bottom of my heart, to be careful.

Those who watch this site, are waiting for the slightest thing, I don't wish to hear on the news that any of you are in jail because of something you typed on CG.

If you really got something to say, but think it'll get you in trouble, don't say it.

Talking too much...is just asking for trouble.

And don't think that they won't put you in jail. I KNOW people who spent months in jail...because some nasty hypocrite Muslims just ACCUSED them of something, and these people had no links to any type of anything, they never spoke out against the government, etc.

ANd don't think I say this out of fear, it is wisdom to shut up about things that could get you and other Muslims in trouble.

So be careful. If you're in jail, you wont be able to help this Ummah.

Fi amanillah



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05-15-2003 04:09 AM



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Yeah...be careful what u say on the phone as well...they tapped our phones...well i know they tapped mine...khair inshaAllah..."They plot and plan, but Allah is the best of planners."

Jazakumullahu khair...

Wa alaikum assalaam...


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hey where did the freedom of speech and expression go??!!! hmmm..... i am getting the feeling that the hypocrisy of the westren nations is beginning to surface up!


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Imam Ahmad narrated that Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-Aas said, "While we were around the Messenger of Allah) writing (the Hadith) the Messenger of Allah sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam was asked/ 'Which of these two cities will be conquered first, Constantinople or Romiyah (Rome)?' He said, 'The city of Heraclius will first be conquered.' He meant Constantinople.'' [Al-Hakim, Al-Mustadrak, vol. 4, p. 508. Also, see As-Silsilah as-Sahihah, vol. 1]
History is a witness that Constantinople or Istanbul was conquered by Sultan Mehmet al Fatih al Uthmani. However Rome was never captured. This will happen in the near future when once again Muslims will have prestige and glory.



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05-15-2003 06:29 AM



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quote:
If you really got something to say, but think it'll get you in trouble, don't say it.


Restrict that to opinions, if your opinion - i.e. something that isn't attached to the shar'ee hukm - such as saying that such-and-such a thing was good in my view, then keep it to yourself; as for saying something, and that something being the truth, being something revealed from the seven heavens, then not for a moment should we hesitate to say it, especially, as keeping quiet can lead to even worse consequences, of misguiding the people and the like. And Allah knows best.


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Imaam Muhammed bin 'Abdulwahaab said: "Verily those tawagheet, whom people believe, that it is obligatory to obey besides Allah - they are all kufaar apostates from Islaam.

"How can you say no?! When they make halaal what Allah made haraam, and made haraam what Allah has made halaal, and they seek to corrupt the land with their words, and actions and support? And whoever argues for them, or is critical of the one who does takfeer of them, or claims that this act of theirs - although wrong - still doesn't take them out of Islaam to kufr, then the least that one can say of this arguer is that he is a faasiq, because the deen of Islaam cannot be upright except with by seeking innocence from those people, and doing takfeer of them". - ar-Rasaa`il ash-Shakhsiyyah, page 188.

Jihaad was recalled in the precence of Imaam Ahmad, so he wept and said: "There is no act of piety better than it".

May Allah have mercy upon Imaam Ahl as-Sunnah, Ahmad bin Hanbal whom it was narrated said: "If you see people differing, then look for the people of thughoor (the frontlines), and see what they are upon. As Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, says: "And those who did Jihaad in Our way, then we will guide them to Our Path".

"This finger, that testifies to Allah's Oneness in prayer, refuses to write one letter affirming support to the rule of a taaghoot"- Sayyid Qutb, rahimahullah, infront of some judges at court.



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05-15-2003 10:21 PM



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Originally posted by muawiyah
hey where did the freedom of speech and expression go??!!! hmmm..... i am getting the feeling that the hypocrisy of the westren nations is beginning to surface up!


Akhee, that is grossly unfair. Our amircg is right to ask us to use our hikmah. A lot of the time you get brothers on sites dropping not-so-subtle hints that they have apparently been in the Jihaad. If that were true, i doubt a proper Mujaahid would be so stupid as to advertise that fact.

CG has been down a lot. If you are in a Muslim country, that abides fully by Sharee'ah, and wont bow down to pressure from the West, then you are less restricted. If you are in a kaaifr country, and post stuff like "I wanna kill some jews", [hardly great for dawah anyway], then expect fitnah. It is about using out hikamah, and thinking about what image of Islam we are projecting.

A brother got 3 yrs for some stuff he posted on a board, so obviously good old "freedom of speech" doesn't exist for Muslims. For nazis, for islamophobics, for fags, yes, but not for Muslims.

Is that surprising?
wa-salaam,
UmmKhubayb.


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