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Sunday, October 19, 2003
 
Mahatir comments: Ummah must unite to fight Jews

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PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia — Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad (search) on Thursday told a summit of Islamic leaders that "Jews rule the world by proxy" and the world's 1.3 billion Muslims should unite, using non-violent means for a "final victory.

His speech at the Organization of the Islamic Conference (search) summit, which he was hosting, drew criticism from Jewish leaders, who warned it could spark more violence against Jews.

Mahathir, who is known for his outspoken, anti-Western rhetoric, criticized what he described as Jewish domination of the world and Muslim nations' inability to adequately respond to it as he opened the meeting of Islamic leaders from 57 nations.

"The Europeans killed 6 million Jews out of 12 million, but today the Jews rule the world by proxy," Mahathir said. "They get others to fight and die for them."

Malaysia, a democratic nation which has a large non-Muslim population and does not enforce strict Islamic law, has long been a critic of Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories and of U.S. policy in the Middle East, including the war in Iraq and its strong backing of the Jewish state.

Mahathir, 77, who is retiring on Oct. 31, has used almost every international podium to lambaste the West for two decades, winning a reputation as an outspoken champion of Third World causes.

"For well over half a century we have fought over Palestine. What have we achieved? Nothing. We are worse off than before," he said. "If we had paused to think, then we could have devised a plan, a strategy that can win us final victory."

The prime minister, who has turned his country into the world's 17th-ranked trading nation during his 22 years in power, said Jews "invented socialism, communism, human rights and democracy" to avoid persecution and gain control of the most powerful countries.

Mahathir added that "1.3 billion Muslims cannot be defeated by a few million Jews," but he suggested using political and economic tactics instead of violence.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Jonathan Peled expressed disappointment in the remarks but said he wasn't surprised.

"It is not new that in such forums there is always an attempt to reach of the lowest common denominator which is Israel bashing," he said in Jerusalem. "But obviously we'd like to see more moderate and responsible kind of declarations coming out of such summits."

Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center (search) in Los Angeles, said Mahathir has used anti-Israel statements in the past to prove he's tough on the West. But, he said, Thursday's speech was still worrisome.

"What is profoundly shocking and worrying is the venue of the speech, the audience and coming in the time we're living in," Cooper said during a visit to Jerusalem. "Mahathir's speech today is an absolute invitation for more hate crimes and terrorism against Jews. That's serious."

U.S. Ambassador to Malaysia Marie Huhtala declined to comment on Mahathir's speech. Washington was angered over a speech he made in February, as host of the Non-Aligned Movement of 117 countries, in which he described the looming war against Iraq as racist.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai said he supported Mahathir's analysis, which also included steps for how Muslim nations can develop economically and socially.

"It is great to hear Prime Minister Mahathir speak so eloquently on the problems of the ummah (Muslim world) and ways to remedy them," Karzai said. "His speech was an eye-opener to a lot of us and that is what the Islamic world should do."

The summit is the first since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks reshaped global politics and comes at a time when many Muslims -- even U.S. allies -- feel the war on terrorism has become a war against them.

"It is well known that the Islamic community is being targeted today more than at any other time before in its creed, culture and social and political orientation," said Qatar's ruler, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, who hosted the U.S. headquarters in the Iraq war.

The status of Iraq also proved a divisive issue. Malaysia resisted inviting the U.S.-picked Iraqi Governing Council, describing it as a puppet of American occupation. But Arab countries that have recognized the interim body prevailed and council representatives were attending the summit.

Leaders attending the summit included Jordan's King Abullah, Syrian President Bashar Assad, Morocco's King Mohammed VI, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo are attending as special observers because of their large Muslim minorities
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10-17-2003, 05:25 AM
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this man has half the good mentality of what he SHOULD have.

its like, following Islam, but only half way, so for some, it might be...WOW! THIS GUYS IS GOOD! but for others, its...HE'S GOOD, BUT NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

I mean, sometimes i wonder if he even thinks to take heed from the examples of the past...one time he said we have to study and develope our countries and advance in our weaponry and what not only for self defence use...well, Islam did not stop at Madina, it was for ALL man kind, al-hamdulillah, and fortunately so, cuz if Abu Bakr and Umar (r.a) had that mentality, they would have never sent armies to conquer persia and Syria, and all these Malaysian countries themselves wouldnt have even become Muslim... and these were achieved through Jihad...Fighting in the cause of ALLAH! not by just da'wa.

and about the above article... why not UNITE TO FIGHT! rather than unite and think of plans...what happened to...'jihad and the rifle alone, no negotiations, no dialogues' what he has to say goes directly against what we are thought.

I give the man respect for that half right thinking, but he hasnt gone far enough.
he's right that we must unite, but he is WRONG that it has to be peaceful!

u give the problem...alright, masha'ALLAH...u got a crowd supporting u...ok....al-hamdulillah, now...start solving the problem...give solutions, any fool on the street can tell u ISLAM IS UNDER ATTACK! like...DUH! but who is the one leader to come through and say...THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE!

its obvious none of these presidents are worthy of such an honour and task!
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10-17-2003, 04:00 PM
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Jews are swine
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10-17-2003, 04:30 PM
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How are they swine?...And where has the nabi saaws called them swine? and how is that we can marry those swine women?

I thought the statements from the PM of malaysia were bold and are worthy of praise. However, he is a tawghoot, may Allah guide him aameen...

When I heard him say that, I wanted to ask him, SO WHY DON'T YOU LEAD US IN WAR AGAINST THEIR KUFR?

But so much for that!
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10-17-2003, 07:41 PM
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We should always try peaceful solutions first. It is sad that there seems to be such a rush to fight, when a peaceful solution could be possible. I don't think some people realise what a war is. It is nothing nice, it is horrible, its about people being maimed, blinded, children losing their parents, parents losing their children.

What I want to know is if a problem could either be solved by fighting or by peace, which is the better________________
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On the contrary jews are filthy low down, untrust worthy pigs, who have betrayed our tolerance, Salahudin showed them tolerance and still thye come to our lands and kill and oppress our people.

Jews are below swine
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Yesterday, 08:58 AM
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When you make such comments think first. What about the many Jews who are against the occupation of Palestine, are they "lower than swine"?

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Read that website, but let me quote you a few things from their decleration:

From ancient times, the relations between the Jewish and Islamic peoples have always been those of peace and brotherhood, and friendship always reigned between them. The proof of this is the fact that for centuries, in all the Arab lands, hundreds of thousands of Jews lived in honor and amidst mutual esteem

The Jewish leadership of that time saw it as proper to clarify before the Arab leaders that the Torah-true Jews had no desire whatsoever for sovereignty, and that our desire was to continue to live in peace with the Arabs, as we had always done

Torah Jewry protests at every opportunity against the Zionist rule over the Holy Land, and the Zionist rebellion against the neighboring nations. Torah Jewry has condemned the Zionist oppression of the Palestinians, the land's veteran inhabitants who have been driven from their homes and properties. The Zionists' barbaric and violent deeds are absolutely antithetical to the essence of the Jewish people.

Torah Jewry has never ever recognized the Zionist state.

The Zionists have no right of any sovereignty over even one inch of the Holy Land. They do not represent the Jewish people in any way whatsoever. They have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people.



I suggest you do read this site before making any potentially racist comments akhee.
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All reactions to a people should be based on the Quran and Sunnah not a personal or emotional hatred. Al-Walaa and Al-Baraa dictates that we should hate these people for the sake of Allah. And Yes Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala turned some of them into swine. But I feel alot of the hatred of the jews is emotionaly based and not for the sake of Allah. You find a person like Mahathir who has betrayed Islaam hates the Jews. You find Nazi's Kuffar who hate the Jews, yet this hatred is not based on the Quran and Sunnah therefore it is rejected and blameworthy. We should deal with them (the general populace of Jews IM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ZIONISTS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS) the same way we deal with the other Kuffar by calling them to Islaam. As for the zionists (Jews, Christians, and Munafiqeen alike) they are truely deserving of our hatred. May Allah curse them! And May Allah guide the misguided amongst who seek his guidance. If I have made any statements that go against the statement actions and approvals of the Prophet. Then I seek his forgiveness for my short commings.

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You even find one of the biggest munafiqeen of this century the Abdullah Bin Saba of our times HAMID "GUCCI GUERILLA" KARAZI agreed with Mahathir's statement.

I THINK THIS DRIVES HOME THE POINT!
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On the contrary jews are filthy low down, untrust worthy pigs, who have betrayed our tolerance, Salahudin showed them tolerance and still thye come to our lands and kill and oppress our people.

Jews are below swine
You have still brought no proof that they are swine. It is just as the Imam Al Bukhaari (raheemahullah) said: "Al Ilm qabla qawli wal 3mal"...So before you label them "swine", you need to bring to us a statement from the Nabi (saaws) that he did so...

In fact this reminds me of the hadeeth of the jewish funeral, In which the nabi saaws stood up as they passed by.

Now, I am sure some fool, like most on this board, will now say that I am defending the jews blah blah blah and that I, Jugular vein, am now refusing to make takfeer of the jews lol...Nay! I am simply saying that you must stick to the sunnah.

I think the bro Islaa7, hit it right on the head when he stated we must hate them for Allah's sake. Brother Islaa7, I would like to know why you made du'aa that Allah curse them? Don't you know that He (swt) has already cursed them?

"And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Qur'an) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him ) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers. " 2:89

"...as We cursed the Sabbathbreakers. And the Commandment of Allah is always executed." 4:47

But if you were to make du'aa for that, I wouldn't think there would be harm in it...Because Allah says:

"Those among the Children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of Dawud (David) and 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). That was because they disobeyed (Allah and the Messengers) and were ever transgressing beyond bounds. "
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And indeed We have created man, and We know what his ownself whispers to him. And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein (by Our Knowledge).

Sayyid Qutub (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The reality of a thing defeats the outward appearance of another thing, even if it is the reality of kufr.”
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I am not saying they are actualy pigs, BUT they came to our lands, killed and butchered our people, stole our lands, homes and dignity, pushed us into refugee camos and have Oppressed us for over 50 years, They STILL kill andn massacre us, they STILLL take more of our land, if we fight back we are terrorists and they Employ other to fight for them and attack our nations.

Maybe all jews arent evil but Most jews (Over90% ) support Israel and they are all Swine.
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Yesterday, 08:42 PM
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I am Palestinian, so I know what they have done.

But I think we should distinguish between Jews and Zionists. In fact the people who want to make no difference between zionist and jew are the Zionists themselves because it benefits them. So when we equate them we are helping the zionists. According to jews against zionism the majority of Jews are against zionism.

All I am saying is that we should avoid statements against Jews in general as this only benefits the zionists.

If you look at how they defend their actions, they say "they want to kill us because we are Jews". "No matter what we will do they hate us because we are Jews".

And the zionists use the holocaust to justify their actions in palestine, although in reality the zionists HELPED the nazis to kill Jews.

So in our own benefit we have to distinguish between the two people, zionists and Jews. After all the founder of Zionism, Hertzl, was an Athiest!!!!
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I dont think that all jews are swine contrarry to popular beliefe. I think the most despicable human beings are Zionist Leaders who use the Jewish Terrorist defense force aka IDF FOR their evil doings much in the same way George Bush and his henchmen are using the Armed forces for their personal gains. I think that the IDF is full of Swine Zionists who are nothing more than teenangers with US Made M-16's harrasing us muslim at their humailiting check points. I lived in Falesteen and will go back there again inshallah, Many Jews don't agree with the evil teeth of Sharon and the Zionist leaders that run that occupided lands now. They are just looking to live just like the muslims who are looking to live in peace. But we muslims are being threatend and we must fight them back. I feel that we should not hate all jews for one day when we regain control of Palestine we will have to treat them with justice as we are commanded by our faith and our prophet(saw), and we will inshallah force them to pay Jizya and make them give back our stolen lands. As for those jews who refuse to pay Jizya we will have to punish them. I think the best punishment for them is not to put them to death but to send them back to those countries who for year backed them, we shold send 80% of the Jews to Televive New York aka Brooklyn and Washington DC, and the rest to be divided in Britan, France and Spain and Russia.

That will teach them to mess with the muslims.
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copied from 1 of my other posts; people are people no matter where thay are from, just because theyre a different race/religion doesnt mean they are evil, sick, bad or anything like that.



And the zionists use the holocaust to justify their actions in palestine, although in reality the zionists HELPED the nazis to kill Jews
yes of course. would be beneficial for the jews to kill millions of their own people, wouldnt it?
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yes of course. would be beneficial for the jews to kill millions of their own people, wouldnt it?

This is my whole point. What people don't realise is that before the war most Jews hated Zionists. Zionists had no power. Hitler made an offer to the Zionists that he would let ALL jews leave to UK and other countries, but the Zionists refused, saying they would only accept them to be deported to Palestine.

The Holocaust benefited the Zionists the most, because it allowed them to convince the Jews that they needed a home of their own. Indeed without the holocaust the Zionist entity could not have been setup.
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