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Q & A with Aboo Baseer about Jihaad


01-23-2004, 06:18 AM
Q & A with Aboo Baseer about Jihaad
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I thought this was an interesting question, very very short, but interesting, what is in parantheses is from the translator. The answer is from Aboo Baseer at-Tartoosee:


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Q: If the parents have some degree of sickness (ex: blood pressure), and oppose the whole idea of going for Jihaad...neigh it even goes completely against their view of my future, and I think that my leaving for it without their permission will lead to such a great shock that it will increase their sickness or even lead to their death (heart attack), then is it permissible to go with these possibilities? Keep in mind that they are self-sufficient and in no need from me material wise (financially or physically). And my caring for them are very general and typical things (meaning its not necessary care they need to live or survive). May Allaah Reward you with good.

Answer: All Praise be to Allaah. I ask: If the Taaghoot (example: a president of any Arab country today) were to send him on a special mission, for the sake of his own personal Taaghoot good and that of the regime... what you mentioned will happen to your parents if you go for Jihaad for Allaah's Cause... but for the Taaghoot nothing? Is the Taaghoot greater and more honored in their eyes than Allaah?!?

The answer: If Jihaad is Fard 'Ayn upon someone, there is no permission sought nor obedience of the creation in remaining behind, because there is no obedience of the creation in disobedience to the Creator. And Allaah Knows best.
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01-23-2004, 06:57 AM
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as-salamu`alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Jazak Allahu khayr for that.

This is somewhat a different matter...

Considering that most of us live in lands where the kuffar gov's come after even those remotely related to the mujahideen, shouldn't extra care be taken by the brother going in the Path of Allah? ie. In preparing for the family some sort of protection, (and indeed Allah is sufficient as our Protector but we know we have to make efforts as well).

I don't think I'm alone in having heard of stories of the families of the mujahideen being abused (in the least) back home. I remember this bro crying for the families of the mujahideen, subhan Allah. It made me realise how we tend to forget about them in our du'as, may Allah forgive us.

So if there was anything that addressed this, do post it insha Allah. Because I feel that some may interpret the answer above as "heck care, just leave them". The irony being that part of the jihad is to liberate the oppressed Muslims and in the meantime, you expose your own family to such danger.

Barak Allahu feek.
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01-23-2004, 10:53 AM
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Ibn Hazm sees it impermissable if the child fears the halaak (death, etc) of his parents.

Shaykh 'Abdullah 'Azzam saw that the child whose parents need, should not go.

I'm not saying this is the correct opinion or anything, but the above fatwa is quite rash I must say, with all respect to the Shaykh.
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01-23-2004, 03:19 PM
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Ibn Hazm sees it impermissable if the child fears the halaak (death, etc) of his parents.
Well, we have two different cases of the parents dying/becoming severely ill because of the son's leaving: as a result of nobody being there to care for them (which is more certain), and as a result of the distress caused by the son's leaving them (which is, wallaahu a'lam, much less certain).

Which of the two cases is Ibn Hazm referring to?
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01-23-2004, 05:11 PM
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Aboo Baseer is talking about parents who are in no real need of the child, but they are just strongly attached to them for the sake of seeing them. Not parents who are in need of physical service (or financial support) due to real health problems (or real old age), that make them dependent on the care of others.

Ibn Hazm and 'Abdullaah 'Azzaam prohibited it for the same reasons, one whose parents are dependent on their child's physical services or financial support, not ones who are just overly attached emotionally, and allow their feelings to get the better of them. Note, Aboo Baseer has similar Fataawaa prohibiting it in the case of one whose parents are really in need of him like described.
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al-Hasan al-Basree (Rahimahullaah) said, "The believer is like a prisoner in this lowly world, who tries to free himself from its shackles and chains, never feeling secure in it, until the day he meets his Lord." [az-Zuhd by Ibn al-Mubaarak]
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01-23-2004, 05:31 PM
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Editor, this is from Join the Caravan by Sh. 'Abdullaah 'Azzaam (Its an appendix he wrote in the Arabic edition), somewhat related to your question:


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al-Hasan al-Basree (Rahimahullaah) said, "The believer is like a prisoner in this lowly world, who tries to free himself from its shackles and chains, never feeling secure in it, until the day he meets his Lord." [az-Zuhd by Ibn al-Mubaarak]
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01-23-2004, 05:56 PM
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Hmmm, interesting views. Abu Dujanah can you bring us an exact quote from Abdullah Azzam for that statement, along with the book page number, not because I dont trust you , just for general knowledge.
Also if that condition was even if the situation was fard al ayn.

I have read statements from the ulama in shishan to the same extent as abu basir's fatwa. About the ruling, whether fard al kifaya or fard al ayn. They said the latter, just recently. I have also been told the latter from trustworthy sources, that these are the views of Mullah 3mar , and our Arab brothers in afghanistan. Perhaps you guys can verify it.

Does anyone know what shaykh Sulayman Al Alwaan, Nasir al Fahad, Ali Al Khudayr al Khudayri, and Abu Mu7ammad al maqdisy, Abu Qatadah al Philistini, have said in regards to this issue.

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O you who believe! Why do you say that which you do not do

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01-23-2004, 10:24 PM
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Yes, that's correct Sinaan.

Amir - the fatwa is found in the question and answer section of Defense of the Muslim Lands. I don't have the English to tell you exactly where bro. My apologies.
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It's also found in Join the Caravan, in the 'Clarifications' section at the end. Go here: http://www.religioscope.com/info/do...van_5_part3.htm

and scroll down to the section regarding excuses.
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Translation from the site posted by Abu Sabaayaa (from the book Join the Caravan):

THE QUESTION OF INTERROGATION BY POLICE AUTHORITIES UPON RETURN OF THE MUJAHID TO HIS HOMELAND FROM JIHAD
This point is never an excuse because it is a matter of suspicion and uncertainty. Jihad is a certainty and the fear of interrogation by the Intelligence is a matter of doubt. In fact, even if he is certain that the Intelligence will interrogate him, this is not an excuse, which absolves him from the sin of sitting back from jihad. The excuse of coercion which is admissible in the shari`ah and which would absolve him of the sin of abandoning an obligation is "direct coercion which threatens loss of life or limb", that is, torture involving death or severance of a limb.

Similarly, fear of police authorities in the country whose passport he holds, even if he is sure that when he returns they will detain him and kill him or sever his limb, is not an acceptable excuse before Allah because in this case he is obliged to forsake his country and live in the land of jihad.

[Allaah Says:]
"Those whose souls the angels take while they are wronging themselves - (the angels) say to them, 'What was the matter with you?' They reply, 'We were weak and oppressed in the land.’ (The angels) say, 'Was not Allah's earth spacious enough that you could emigrate therein?' Then, the abode of those people shall be Hell - how evil a destination it is! Except for such weak and oppressed men, women and children who were neither able to come up with a stratagem (to emigrate) nor shown any way (to do so) - those Allah will surely pardon, and Allah is Most Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving."
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bismillah...

u gotta remember, there's more of an issue of just they parents being sick or not. Now a days, for the most part, parents dont practice their deen much to begin with, and when a kid says, 'o mommy,daddy, i want to fight for ALLAH' automatically they say "NO! U WILL GO TO SCHOOL AND HAVE A FUTURE". The parents now a days are mostly practicing their deen because of culture, its like, is Islam a part of ur life? or is ur life a part of Islam? we gotta look at all the different angles before judging on a case and passing a fatwa on it: do the parents even practice their deen, if yes, do they even agree with jihad (needless to say,most dont). SO there's a lot more than just straight forward question answers...
also: every situation is different...remember, what guarantee is there that u will live to support them in the first place, and if one asks himself sincerely...one would get the answer...there r so many paid 'sheikhs' who r stuck to this dunya life...no point going to them for fatwas...personally speaking...cuz they dont even agree with jihad in first place...as we know...'no jihad without a khalifa' so many say...
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as-salamu`alaykum wa rahmatullah

Jazakum Allahu khayr. I just wanted to clarify that my question wasn't so much so on the issue of seeking permission or having an excuse. It's simply on how the believer can act or plan wisely amidst his preparations.

Anyway I'm sure there are ways suited to each individual case. Moving the family is one of such possibilities. And I suppose from the answer, we shouldn't fear too much about that, and Allah will help us out insha Allah.

May Allah protect the mujahideen and their families.
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